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Audi Sport Team Joest | 79 | 50.32% | |
Toyota Racing | 42 | 26.75% | |
Porsche | 31 | 19.75% | |
Rebellion Racing | 2 | 1.27% | |
OAK Racing | 1 | 0.64% | |
The other guys... | 2 | 1.27% | |
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29 Jul 2014, 02:12 (Ref:3439515) | #1326 | ||
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Id be fine with lmp1 and GTE pro and am in the wec if they had larger numbers. With two cars from Toyota, Nissan, Audi, Porsche and Rebellion plus at least 1 Lotus, theres going to be 11 cars in lmp1. GTE has Porsche, Aston, Ferrari and possibly Vette next year, theres potential for a larger grid there next year also. Citing one class that decreased isnt convincing enough to say the wec isn't succeeding. |
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29 Jul 2014, 12:35 (Ref:3439666) | #1327 | ||
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Promo talks about potential bigger grids are getting tiring too, we've heard this too many times in the past, they haven't materialized and the grid is capped anyway. So if you're lucky you'll gonna see 30 cars, 25ish is more realistic though. One of the charms of sportscar (& GT) racing for me has always been the various race-by-race entries, we hardly see those anymore in this World Championship. |
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29 Jul 2014, 12:47 (Ref:3439672) | #1328 | ||
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During the ALMS days, people touted quality over quantity.
Now with the WEC, people want quantity over quality. What is it exactly that sportscar fans want? |
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29 Jul 2014, 12:47 (Ref:3439673) | #1329 | |
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Didn't initially agree with Fogel's idea either but reccently I've began to think it would've made quite a bit of sense, considering.
@Acid09 - We could probably sit here for weeks talking about this but I've already expressed my exhausting list of opinions and arguments over WEC countless times on this forum so I'm not going there again. Sufficient to say that I probably wouldn't be this negative if WEC wasn't preceeded by the amazing ILMC, which I felt was superior to this series every way imaginable (except clumsy title) But that's not all down to costs but because the class has been killed off from all three regional series, forcing you to do the world series behind factories if you want to run at all. That is F1 mentality. Last edited by Deleted; 29 Jul 2014 at 12:53. |
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29 Jul 2014, 13:01 (Ref:3439678) | #1331 | |
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Very much agreed.
One of the worst things about FIA GT1 WC was the forced grid of 24 (and later less) entries with strictly 4 cars from each 'brand' for no reason. |
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29 Jul 2014, 13:56 (Ref:3439709) | #1332 | ||
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2 cars per team, both score points for teams championship like in F1 4 cars per brand, the best two placed, score points for manufacturers championship... in theory with 2 cars per team and 4 cars per manufacturers, each team and each manufacturer had the same chances to battle for the titles. Unfortunately, nissan was the only manufacturer really intersted (world fia gt1 was usefull for them to promote nissan gt-r in europe). Reiter and Matech were 2 tuners poorly supported by the manufacturer; Matech went in bankrupt at the end of 2010, indeed already at the beginning of 2011 season, lamborghini and ford teams had had almost no spare parts available. P&M main focus was ALMS and LM with the new ZR1 GT2/E, so SRT, DKR, phoenix racing and carsport were simply left on their own. Maserati MC12 was updated by Kessel Racing and Ferrari just kept on supporting vitaphone racing. Prodrive supported officially young drivers team (3 drivers on 4 were AMR work drivers). The fia world gt1 worked only in 2010, the next season was basicly a dead horse... the idea was brillant in my opinion, maybe could work in 2004-2006, but 2010 was too late. GT1 class was already dying. |
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2011 GTWC season was rubbish but not as crap as 2012.
To me the idea of GTWC always seemed something that would've been quite appropriate for GT1... 90's GT1*! Big budget manufacturers spending high dollars in neatly organized (relatively) easy-to-understand environment. It was insanely naive to expect success from such format when only privateer teams are accepted, and as you said the class was already on it's march to twilight. Although, personally (as per suggestion of GG) I think the real final nail in the coffin of that category was ACO's decision to kill of LMGT1, not anything done by the SRO. * ALTHOUGH when you look at the first two seasons of FIA GT, entry AND calendar wise, they already kinda were the world championships of their time. Just with more conventional execution Ah the powerful prutos at the world centre of racing, GoDaddy.com 24 Heures du Mans 500. The ultimate dream. Last edited by Deleted; 29 Jul 2014 at 14:51. |
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29 Jul 2014, 14:56 (Ref:3439723) | #1335 | |
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500 miles is too short for Le Mans. Make it 2000 miles!
Anyways, any chances of WEC staging a race in the Autódromo Hermanos RodrÃ*guez (since F1 will be back there next year)? They can race there before or after the Austin round. |
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29 Jul 2014, 15:16 (Ref:3439728) | #1337 | ||
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No that would bring the event too close to Daytona. Haven't you been reading these totally-accurate press releases
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29 Jul 2014, 18:33 (Ref:3439809) | #1339 | ||
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New EOT out. Gas stays the same and Diesel gains on fuel flow but loses on the Hybrid side.
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29 Jul 2014, 18:55 (Ref:3439819) | #1341 | ||
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Diesel also gets 0,1 liter capacity increase
The factory side looks fine tbh, it's satisfactory for what it is and if it indeed stays tightly locked for the next 12 months (though I suspect the fuel restrictors probably do get altered before 2015 again, they seem to be separated from the EoT...) As much as I'd like Rebellion - and Kodewa I guess - to shine I do hope they won't start flickering their BoP on race by race basis like in LMGTE as that becomes silly very fast. Couple of adjustments per year for that sub class as a whole is enough... The interesting bit about the Lotus is that they gave them the same values as Rebellion even though this happened: Quote:
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29 Jul 2014, 19:15 (Ref:3439828) | #1343 | |
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I guess.
Another reason not to hope for race-by-race or even semi-constant L BoP is that if they start implementing that, there not much incentive for Rebellion and Kodewa to try to find improvements & upgrades on their own to catch the factories (= @ the possible break ups) when they just can automatically rely on that... also cause the inter-subclass rivalry is in it's infancy |
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29 Jul 2014, 20:02 (Ref:3439853) | #1345 | |
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29 Jul 2014, 20:04 (Ref:3439854) | #1346 | ||
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1: open-top LMP1 cars no longer exist.
2: Aston is too focused on GT now. 3: YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. The worst factory LMP1 in history and there is actually a wish for it to return? |
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29 Jul 2014, 20:09 (Ref:3439857) | #1347 | ||
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Nope. One of problem from that proto was the engine and another one was LMP1 engine rule...
Maybe if they do something better and uses another kind of engine unless that 6L model... |
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29 Jul 2014, 20:15 (Ref:3439861) | #1348 | |
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Just taken a few calculations. The increase in max. fuel flow for Diesel should give them additional 6 bhp. This would be good for about 0.35 tenths per lap at Le Mans while accelerating. Thus with the small reduction in energy per lap leads to additional 1,4 secs. a lap of coasting. This additional coasting would cost them only about 0,1 sec. So at the end, this looks the be a 0,25 secs / lap buff for the Audis
But to be honest, to calculate the time penalty under coasting, i had to do many assumptions including speeds after coasting and before braking, calculation the cw for the R18 and frontal area (which would be at 0.52 and 1,74 m² btw...) |
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