'09 LMS Round 2, Spa May 8th-10th - Page 14

HORNDAWG · 13 May 2009, 20:12 (Ref:2461940)

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Originally Posted by henk4

AM is using a customer Lola chassis, the Speedy Lola AM at Spa, was not really much slower than the works cars. The best example of a "works" entry last year that harassed the diesels were the LMP2 Porsches under ALMS regulations and even that was not a full works effort. (Porsche likes to sell cars and not race them

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Huh, Penske not a full works effort?

I suppose the Champion, Audi Sport N.America, was not either?

L.P.

henk4 · 13 May 2009, 20:23 (Ref:2461951)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Huh, Penske not a full works effort?

I wanted to be politically correct.....but I will not oppose your statement

Tim the Grey · 13 May 2009, 22:02 (Ref:2462028)

Ah, yes, I forgot that one...
Although the Acura seemed to be a bit of a 1 lap specialist. I don't see them double stinting it.

I guess the 'acid test' is Henri with his Peugeot, as that is a known team. How close can they get to the works boys?

cptkablamo · 14 May 2009, 01:17 (Ref:2462086)

Another question - why does the Essex Porsche and the winning Peugeot have 11 points from Spa??? How is this possible...

Spa has confused my so much...negative points, Essex and Peugeot scoring more than the max, 4 bizarre disqualifications...

I am so confused...

LeMans.pt · 14 May 2009, 01:50 (Ref:2462094)

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Originally Posted by cptkablamo

Another question - why does the Essex Porsche and the winning Peugeot have 11 points from Spa??? How is this possible...

We now have 1 point granted for class pole-position

henk4 · 14 May 2009, 06:46 (Ref:2462125)

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Originally Posted by Tim the Grey

I guess the 'acid test' is Henri with his Peugeot, as that is a known team. How close can they get to the works boys?

There were stories in Spa that the Pesc-Peu might not have exactly the same specs as the works car. I have no specifics where the differences would be.

Dead-Eye · 14 May 2009, 08:42 (Ref:2462194)

It's been said since the announcement that Pesca would get a 08-spec car (except for the aero package of course). Not sure what the differences are though.

The Badger · 14 May 2009, 17:31 (Ref:2462491)

Tell ya what , Id love to see Henri throw a spanner at the factory Pugs and take the win !!!

Acid09 · 14 May 2009, 19:17 (Ref:2462552)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Tell ya what , Id love to see Henri throw a spanner at the factory Pugs and take the win !!!

He might end up needing to do the job because the works team finds yet another way to fail. I really supported Peugeot ever since they started their programm but their abillity to let races slip away from them is really something...

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pesca 908 be the highest finishing Peugeot simply because they pull off a flawless effort - Something that is yet to be seen from Peugeot Sport in races longer than 6h.

I don't care which Peugeot wins this race...as long as one does. These Audi wins get more and more painfull every year.

The Badger · 14 May 2009, 19:25 (Ref:2462558)

Yeah , but its not the fault of Audi that they do it properly ..... for example , Pug should be racing every race they can to perfect their opperation ..... and their not .

Personally , I feel that they dont really deserve the win .

henk4 · 14 May 2009, 19:32 (Ref:2462561)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

He might end up needing to do the job because the works team finds yet another way to fail. I really supported Peugeot ever since they started their programm but their abillity to let races slip away from them is really something...

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Pesca 908 be the highest finishing Peugeot simply because they pull off a flawless effort - Something that is yet to be seen from Peugeot Sport in races longer than 6h.

I don't care which Peugeot wins this race...as long as one does. These Audi wins get more and more painfull every year.

The winning Peugeot in Spa had a flawless race, and there were no hickups in the pits. Six hours, five stops (in spite of several safety car periods) and everything went perfect (Has anybody seen an analysis of times spent in the pits for all teams?). Whether they are capable of doing the same in a 24 hour race has still to be proven.

Acid09 · 14 May 2009, 19:35 (Ref:2462564)

Well despite Barcelona and Laguna Seca last fall they have pretty much raced anything they could..... where else would they run?

I don't agree that they don't deserve to win. The 908 is a fine piece of engineering that would really deserve to win Le Mans. Peugeot were the first to design a LMP1 coupe, their engine was far supperior to Audi's V12, they had that hybrid programm running until the ACO rendered it useless by the rules and they keep on supporting the LMS when no other manufacturer bothers to care...

Enough reasons to justiy a win in my book.

GT6 · 15 May 2009, 07:20 (Ref:2462776)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Well despite Barcelona and Laguna Seca last fall they have pretty much raced anything they could..... where else would they run?

I don't agree that they don't deserve to win. The 908 is a fine piece of engineering that would really deserve to win Le Mans. Peugeot were the first to design a LMP1 coupe, their engine was far supperior to Audi's V12, they had that hybrid programm running until the ACO rendered it useless by the rules and they keep on supporting the LMS when no other manufacturer bothers to care...

Enough reasons to justiy a win in my book.

The only team that deserves the win at Le mans is the team that completes more laps than the rest, and that will depend on the car and the team both performing on the day.

henk4 · 15 May 2009, 07:32 (Ref:2462782)

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Originally Posted by GT6

The only team that deserves the win at Le mans is the team that completes more laps than the rest, and that will depend on the car and the team both performing on the day.

so when the winning team finishes in the same lap as the second placed car you would call that undeserved?

acox93 · 15 May 2009, 10:10 (Ref:2462844)

Any team that does not cheat and completes more laps than everyone else is a deserving winner.

GT6 · 15 May 2009, 10:52 (Ref:2462859)

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Originally Posted by henk4

so when the winning team finishes in the same lap as the second placed car you would call that undeserved?

I would call it a close and exciting race, but one car has to finish first, the car in second does not deserve the win but does deserve our thanks for making a race rather than a procession.

bernard b · 16 May 2009, 07:56 (Ref:2463289)

hi there

I posted a few pics of the Spa race
http://zoom-24.com/index.php?option=...d=23&catid=214

dxk1 · 16 May 2009, 17:11 (Ref:2463507)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Tell ya what , Id love to see Henri throw a spanner at the factory Pugs and take the win !!!

To me, that would be absolutely the best outcome!! Go Henri!!

DK

The Badger · 16 May 2009, 17:22 (Ref:2463517)

Yep ..... kill 2 birds with the one stone . A Peugeot win and a Pescarolo win too .

Bet the brass at Pug would be seething that Henri took the win though !!!

dxk1 · 16 May 2009, 17:28 (Ref:2463525)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Yep ..... kill 2 birds with the one stone . A Peugeot win and a Pescarolo win too .

Bet the brass at Pug would be seething that Henri took the win though !!!

What would be really interesting is if Henri's car is winning with an hour or so to go with the Factory car a lap behind. Will they try to get him to give them the win? I hope he kicks their butts and says: "no way".

DK

Gingers4Justice · 16 May 2009, 17:39 (Ref:2463534)

Did anyone see the highlights package on Eurotrash? A lot better than last years coverage.

Anyway, it failed to mention why the Radical was DQ, was it bodywork like the Felbaoiijfagii Porsche?

TheNewBob · 17 May 2009, 08:35 (Ref:2463811)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Tell ya what , Id love to see Henri throw a spanner at the factory Pugs and take the win !!!

I'd just like to see him throw a spanner at them

kingkai · 17 May 2009, 15:26 (Ref:2464008)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

It's been said since the announcement that Pesca would get a 08-spec car (except for the aero package of course). Not sure what the differences are though.

A few engine like changes if I'm correct. They really where spastical about the enginehood going of the car. even with scruteneering they had it 10cm open and just an arm underneath it to take a dieselsample.
From what I could see is that the airfilter intake box was of carbonfiber instead the silver like version I had seen before...

acox93 · 19 May 2009, 17:19 (Ref:2465260)

The live eurosport coverage of the race was terrible, 5 mins of the start of the race then adverts then another 2 mins and it was over. For a series such as the LMS this coverage is just not good enough.

HORNDAWG · 19 May 2009, 20:37 (Ref:2465345)

So how long will it be before the LMS and ACO get their thumbs out of their bums and give a decision on the GT-2 appeal??

L.P.

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