...Street races for Homebush & Townsville...Oran Park to go in 2 years...

[Just Do It!]

Peckstar, I owe you a beer. Brilliant, mate!

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

maybe he dosnt care about permanent circuits but he does care about the paying public. thus he wants more street circuits.

And overseas events how does that show he is caring about the paying public.

Originally Posted by peckstar

it would seem you maybe the one who dosnt care about the paying public. but more about your self interest.

Peckstar what do you prefer to attend, a street race or a permanent circuit ?

[Rombles1]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

And overseas events how does that show he is caring about the paying public.



Peckstar what do you prefer to attend, a street race or a permanent circuit ?

I know I am not Peckstar, but I personally would rather attend the Adelaide street circuit, because the nearest permanent track is bl00dy miles away!

[dsg]

I would prefer to attend a street circuit as there is normally a range of other activities put on for the fans.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by dsg

I would prefer to attend a street circuit as there is normally a range of other activities put on for the fans.

As oppossed to motor racing.

[retro]

Supercars on track
By KARLA PINCOTT
Motoring Editor
19sep05
TOWNSVILLE looks certain to get the V8 Supercars.

The city is expecting a formal announcement within weeks..

The news comes after the sport's boss said last week a race was likely to be held in the city in 2007.

Tony Cochrane, chairman of the sport's controlling body, the Australian Vee Eight Supercar Company (AVESCO) said the strong fan base in North Queensland was a key factor in the decision.

Mr Cochrane has said he was confident 'the planets will line up'.

He said there was huge potential in the North Queensland market.

"There's a terrific market for our fan base up there," he said. "They never get to see us live, but we do very well up there on television.

"It's a big market - half a million people - you're really like another state up there. It's probably further from Brisbane than Melbourne is.

"We'd love to go there. The championship would love to go there." He said a 'fair bit of money' would need to be spent on developing a venue in Townsville.

"Its been priced and they're well advanced there, but they're not just building a street race," Mr Cochrane said..

"They're building a whole entertainment and sporting precinct.

"So it's a much bigger project than just a V8 street car race. It involves a lot of infrastructure work in the surrounding area because they want an area where they can do things all year round.

While Mr Cochrane was critical of the now-scratched Eastern Creek venue in New South Wales - which was built for a range of diverse racing types - he said the same problems would not apply in Townsville.

"Eastern Creek was built to be a cross between a camel and a donkey, and in the end it's not much of a circuit for V8 supercars," he said.

"Townsville won't be like that because we designed the circuit - our engineers designed the actual race track with input from some of the drivers.

"So I don't have any concerns about the track - it's a really exciting street race circuit."

An AVESCO spokesman said those involved in the track design were former driver and now team owner Dick Johnson in the early concept stages, and drivers Mark Skaife and Mark Larkham from inception to layout.

However some of the drivers had comments about how the proposed design for the circuit could be improved, citing concerns about a lack of climbs, slow corners, passing opportunities and track length and width.

Stone Brothers Racing star and current championship points leader Marcus Ambrose said the planned spectator mounds limited the crowd's view of the action.

"It needs some mounds on the outside to give a better perspective for the crowd," Mr Ambrose said.

"You probably don't need steep climbs and descents, but you could dig your mounds so you get some camber. It doesn't need to be much, but a bit would be quite good."

Mr Ambrose said some of the turns could be adjusted to give better results.

"Even if turn two (currently 90 degrees) cuts just slightly - not a big arc - it will make it a bit faster.

"Then the next one you want as 90 degrees or more, that tightens it up so you've got a little bit of switchback effect, so you want a real 'S'.

"You've only got two right-handers, but that's not a drama."

Mr Ambrose said that while such adjustments would improve the racing, the track didn't need to be perfect.

"In the end, when things aren't quite perfect, that's what adds character to a track," he said.

Among other drivers who commented on the proposed design, concerns were mainly about track length and complexity.

Townsville V8 Supercar Festival Committee chairman Tony Ireland said the drivers' comments were valuable.

"Some of their concerns were valid and we've responded to them," Mr Ireland said.

"We've rounded off that turn two, which is now a much faster curve in response to the driver's remarks.

[TSR]

And M.Skaife did a cracking job in designing the Canberra track, and with Aussie Bernie stating that Eastern Creek was not a V8supertaxi's track well why does he not asked some of the drivers, as SOME drivers do actually like the Creek. Aussie Bernie blowing his own trumpet again and kicking the fans in the guts.

[Chucky]

I think the problem with this whole mess of a thread is that their is no dissenting public voice. A bunch of guys *****ing on an internet forum doesnot qualify for that.

But what of the journo's covering this? I don't think I've ever seen nor heard a tough question asked of neither AVESCO, TEGA or CAMS regarding the gradual decline of both the commercial and sporting side of motorsport in Australia.

Then again, real journo's in this country are lazy enough, who'd expect "specialist" journo's to be any better!

[mayhem]

You ask some tough questions and you lose your media accreditation, ask Peter McKay.

[Robert Ryan]

Peter Mckay the Mark Latham of Motorsport Journalists.
TSR Eastern Creek is an abomination as a roadracing circuit, "Aussie Bernie" as you term Tony Cochrane was probably under extimating the amount of money needed to be spent to make it half-way a decent track. Eastern Creek has three things going for it(a) close to the City centr(b) Natural amphitheatre, that hides the noise(c) it exists as a racing facility. I like to go to Oran Park , miles better than the "Creek". I hope they do relocate it to Wilton, then I will know we have one reasonable roadracing facility near the City.

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Peter Mckay the Mark Latham of Motorsport Journalists.

Gee, you give an alternate view to the usual AVESCO 'suck-jobs' and you get compared to a bloke intent on self destruction.
I wonder, is Peter the first journo to give an opinion that wasn't from the TEN/RPM/AVESCO propoganda machine, only to have his accreditation pulled? No need to answer that...

[Robert Ryan]

mayhem...It is one of the better analysis's I can think of. Surprisingly he has not been banned before this and I am not just talking about V8Supercars.

[Falcadore]

Heh - if the WRC was as strong as claimed - then two major manufacturers would not be pulling out, and the series would not be about to embark on the biggest regulation change in 20 years.

Formula One may only have 20 cars now, but they had 20 cars three years ago too.

WRC had 17 cars three years ago. Now there are ten, and who knows how many next year. Eight?

[Robert Ryan]

Heh - if the WRC was as strong as claimed - then two major manufacturers would not be pulling out, and the series would not be about to embark on the biggest regulation change in 20 years
Spot on. A series that has been spending manufacturers money like they were printing it. This could not go on indefintely.

[racer69]

Been worse in the WRC before, there were only 4 'new-for-97' WRC cars for half of 1997 (2x Ford's and 2x Subaru's), but yes i agree, time for a change, and hopefully it will come with the new Super 2000 formula.



Peter McKay - Does his AVESCO ban relate beack to the 'Inside Line' column a few weeks back (i'd presume obviously)

[mixxer]

if the WRC was as strong as claimed - then two major manufacturers would not be pulling out, and the series would not be about to embark on the biggest regulation change in 20 years

Hey don't talk sense/truth on this forum as it leaves others with no room to maneuver

[pete55]

They only need to look at the regulations for cars in the ARC for the best solution to WRC. There is no need to have cars as sophisticated as they are now. The same applies to other categories in motorsport though including V8 Supercars.

[Robert Ryan]

Peter McKay - Does his AVESCO ban relate beack to the 'Inside Line' column a few weeks back (i'd presume obviously)
racer 69 , it was the lasy straw. Maybe Peter should concentrate on driving in the ONE MAKE Lotus series. Sorry for the "Mckayism" it just slipped out.

[Falcadore]

ARC regs is *******ised parity based system that would be a nightmare to police at a world level. It's like suggestsing something based on 80's Group C should be used to run Formula One.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Peter McKay - Does his AVESCO ban relate beack to the 'Inside Line' column a few weeks back (i'd presume obviously)
racer 69 , it was the lasy straw. Maybe Peter should concentrate on driving in the ONE MAKE Lotus series. Sorry for the "Mckayism" it just slipped out.

Or maybe he should continue on keeping business people like Avesco honest instead of running riot, isn't that what the media is for.

I suspect the more Avesco try to put the muzzle of any journalist of group (eg. stopping the allocation of media passes) casting doubt over the so called "facts", the more ground these journalists/groups will have to stand on.

[pete55]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Or maybe he should continue on keeping business people like Avesco honest instead of running riot, isn't that what the media is for.

I suspect the more Avesco try to put the muzzle of any journalist of group (eg. stopping the allocation of media passes) casting doubt over the so called "facts", the more ground these journalists/groups will have to stand on.

I wonder if some more journalists will pick up and run with the story in other newspapers. If so that would do AVESCO and V8 Supercars no good at all especially when they are complaining that they are not getting coverage in that area. Maybe then the old saying 'Never bite the hand that feeds yoú' would be apt.

[Robert Ryan]

Problem is D.R.T. some of Peter's other pronouncement's have been a little questionable. I think it would be better for everyone, that he does what can do best : become a competitor in a racing catergory.

[Robert Ryan]

Pete55 outside of Mckay's vendetta against everything AVESCO, there are none others.

[TSR]

Originally Posted by pete55

I wonder if some more journalists will pick up and run with the story in other newspapers. If so that would do AVESCO and V8 Supercars no good at all especially when they are complaining that they are not getting coverage in that area. Maybe then the old saying 'Never bite the hand that feeds yoú' would be apt.

I bet I know one scribe that will not bagg AVE$CO and that would be there number one scribe from the Sydney Daily Telegraph.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Problem is D.R.T. some of Peter's other pronouncement's have been a little questionable. I think it would be better for everyone, that he does what can do best : become a competitor in a racing catergory.

However Peter you would have to agree that Mr McKays lastest article (the one that has caused the fuss) does seem to have some merit, regardless of any previous article.