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Old 27 Dec 2022, 17:35 (Ref:4138318)   #276
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Convertible cars allowed, in other words cabriolets?
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Old 27 Dec 2022, 20:17 (Ref:4138322)   #277
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Convertible cars allowed, in other words cabriolets?
No, I know they did have some convertible races between 1956-62 (they had a Convertible division but that not the answer I was looking for. Apparently NASCAR ran convertible (hood down) because they thought the fans would like to see the drivers. Roll cages were allowed but not required.
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Old 28 Dec 2022, 08:43 (Ref:4138338)   #278
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Front wheel drive? On board disc brakes? Part of the body in GRP?
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Old 28 Dec 2022, 10:09 (Ref:4138343)   #279
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Front wheel drive? On board disc brakes? Part of the body in GRP?
The remaining part of the question is not to do with the mechanicals or spec of the car.

It is more to do with a particular on the NASCAR race entry list at one of the Euro car included races. A first time it had happened in NASCAR, but common in European and other non NASCAR races.
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Old 28 Dec 2022, 14:15 (Ref:4138359)   #280
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Has to do with special venues, like Wendell Scott?
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Old 28 Dec 2022, 14:26 (Ref:4138360)   #281
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OK time for the cant fail clue.... the one that makes it obvious. Its a characteristic of endurance or longer races like Le Mans, Spa 24 hrs, Bathurst 1000. Something they have that a shorter sprint race generally doesnt. A non mechanical item often changed in pitstops of endurance races.
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Old 28 Dec 2022, 15:48 (Ref:4138366)   #282
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Its driver or gazoline… Tires are mechanical.
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Its driver or gazoline… Tires are mechanical.
Yes its the driver.
The Langhorne 200 mile race was the first time a relief / 2nd driver was nominated on a team / car entry for a NASCAR race.
The entry by Eddy Ganache, “a prominent sportsman from Quebec” entered a car with two nominated drivers
NASCAR accepted the entry without delay, indeed suggesting the two driver concept might be profitably adopted by others.
Norm Brioux was to be given the task of qualifying the car in Saturdays time trials and starting the “200” on the Sunday, with the second driver Lloyd Shaw on hand as the relief driver.
The Canadians believed the gruelling race and the expected heat at Langhorne for the race weekend would be too much for one man hence the second driver ‘insurance’

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Old 28 Dec 2022, 16:54 (Ref:4138368)   #284
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Old 29 Dec 2022, 04:42 (Ref:4138396)   #285
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Citroen did also manage to achieve something else as well in that Crown America 500 on June 1, 1958 (at Riverside)
That achievement was that despite finishing 18th and 19th the leading Citroen did win its class. Not sure what class that was, whether it was up to 2 litres or maybe even a front wheel drive class, but regardless of what class it they got the trophy.

As for the next question, It is between Chillibowl, rbs, crm and Gerard, all who answered at least one part correctly, so, first in first served as they say.
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Just while the last parts of the NASCAR question are being contemplated - I'll jump in with the next question:

During Lap 47 of the 2022 Bahrain Grand Prix a new record was set for F1. The previous record was almost broken at the 2013 Australian Grand Prix, but not quite. What was the previous record, and how long did it stand for?
I think it got lost amongst the NASCAR stuff.....
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Has it got something to do with the first race of the season?
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Has it got something to do with the first race of the season?
Not specifically about the first race of the season.
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The previous record was somewhere between between 101 and 105klms and stood for 23,807 days (65 years, 2 months and 7 days)
Someone else might like to add what the record relates to.

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The previous record was somewhere between between 101 and 105klms and stood for 23,807 days (65 years, 2 months and 7 days)
Someone else might like to add what the record relates to.
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The previous record was somewhere between between 101 and 105klms and stood for 23,807 days (65 years, 2 months and 7 days)
Someone else might like to add what the record relates to.
This is a fascinating question!

101-105km is 20 laps, and so I am assuming it is something that is relevant from lap 27-47 in Bahrain.


65 years, 2 months and 7 days before Bahrain 2022 was the 1957 Argentinean Grand Prix.

The laps were 3.9km so if it was 101-105kms that is 26 laps of this race.

I am still stumped!
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This is a fascinating question! I am still stumped!
+ 1. is it related to the number of laps achieved by the leader of the race. Something like Hamilton vs Schumacher vs Fangio?
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Something related to the safety car or restart?

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BTCC Frog is on the right thinking with looking at the 1957 Argentine GP.

The classification of those two races might help?
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+ 1. is it related to the number of laps achieved by the leader of the race. Something like Hamilton vs Schumacher vs Fangio?
The leader was on lap 47 in Bahrain, but it wasn't them who set the record.
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The classification of those two races might help?
This is another question? It will be answered when we'll know the answer to your question. Just noticed that Fangio and friends drove during more than three hours.
Glad EB made it, and I wont tell you on how many strange tracks I sent myself…
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This is another question? It will be answered when we'll know the answer to your question. Just noticed that Fangio and friends drove during more than three hours.
Glad EB made it, and I wont tell you on how many strange tracks I sent myself…
The answer to the question might be revealed if you look at the classification of the 1957 Argentine GP and 2022 Bahrain GP.
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Thanks crm, unfortunately I already did it thanks to BTCCfrog. Still lost. Je donne ma langue au chat, cat got my tongue… Where is RB?

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OK, it has to do with Pierre Gasly, right? He retired from the race at lap 47. He was the furtherst into a season before retiring. Idem Collins in 57. If I'm correct, what a strange record…

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OK, it has to do with Pierre Gasly, right? He retired from the race at lap 47. He was the furtherst into a season before retiring. If I'm correct, what a strange record…


Yes, the previous record for most laps before the first retirement of the year had stood since 1957. The 1957 season began with the Argentine Grand Prix, held at Autódromo de Buenos Aires Oscar y Juan Gálvez. In that race, Peter Collins was the first driver to retire, with his Ferrari car encountering clutch issues after 27 laps. In 1957, Collins completed around 105km before retiring, while Gasly was over 238km into the Bahrain Grand Prix before his car set alight.
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