[WEC] Ginetta LMP1

[knighty]

Overall some good points raised guys, the 90 and 60 degree motors from Nissan-Cosworth, Honda and Nissan-GT, numerous V8's have all been massaged into the Adess, Oreca and Ligier chassis, so squeezing in the 72 degree bank angle of the V10 should not be a problem for an LMP1

Then I guess its just a case of length.......the V10 is 622mm long......as a guide the DB V8 is 516mm......the HK V8 is 584mm.......so it sounds doable.

I'm surprised of no mention about direct injection as its worth about 5% fuel save.......a biggy for WEC type racing, it will need to be implemented at some point.

Overall I would love to see this V10 motor back in endurance racing, hopefully a new LMP1 customer will take the plunge once the chassis orders start to flow for Oreca, Ginetta and BR-Dallara.

[Damian Baldi]

Originally Posted by knighty

Overall I would love to see this V10 motor back in endurance racing, hopefully a new LMP1 customer will take the plunge once the chassis orders start to flow for Oreca, Ginetta and BR-Dallara.

It would be great to have Judd back and the sound of a v10. At the moment the only available engines for P1 that I know are Nissan v6 turbo, Mecachrome v6 turbo, AER v6 turbo and the Judd v10.

Cosworth said years ago that they have a v8 turbo (build over the base of the old IRL v8 NA engine), but it needed money (from the customer) to finish the development.

[S griffin]

So another addition to LMP1 hopefully, the more the merrier. I wish whoever runs it all the best

[silente]

If they manage to stay at the minimum LMP1-NH allowed weight and have approximately a similar downforce package compared to current p2, they can be much quicker. It would be 100 kg less. This is more than 3 seconds in certain tracks...

Theoretically the rules should help them now, at least being quicker than the LMP2 field.

The engine should also have at least a bit more power than the Gibson...hopefully it will work out!

[hondafan37]

The car will weight 750 kg, which must be ballasted to minimum weight, allowing an ideal weight distribution .
The Megachrome engine, which is available exclusively in the LMP1 for Ginetta, will be able to beat the performance of the Gibson LMP2 engines, which is 600 HP strong.

http://cms3.gt-eins.at/le-mans-wec/1...a-lmp1-projekt

[Jam3s]

750kg is not easy task, explains the cost of the car a bit better as well considering the materials, design and additional machining time & complexity for a lot of the parts.

If they can reliably achieve 750kg and > 600hp this thing is going to be bloody awesome.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

750kg is not easy task, explains the cost of the car a bit better as well considering the materials, design and additional machining time & complexity for a lot of the parts.

If they can reliably achieve 750kg and > 600hp this thing is going to be bloody awesome.

That would be cool if they could run at 750kg, but they'll ballast it to the minimum weight which is currently 830kg.

[Jam3s]

Originally Posted by TF110

That would be cool if they could run at 750kg, but they'll ballast it to the minimum weight which is currently 830kg.

Ah right, I misunderstood, still, 830kg and more power than the P2 should at least give them a decent pace advantage over that class so we don't see the mess that is Kolles.

[chernaudi]

The last LMP cars that I know of that were 750KG or less unballasted where the 2012/2013 and later Audi R18s, and the LMP1 wolf in LMP2 sheep's clothing that was the Porsche RS Spyder (750kg was LMP2 minimum at the time, and was the only car to meet that with ballast). Also most LMP675s that were purpose built for those regs were down to below 700kg with ballast, which of course is part of the reason they were so fragile.

I know that the Toyota LMP1s and the Porsche 919s are obviously ballasted to meet 875kg, but I doubt that they're 750kg unladen. Also, LMPs are weighed without drivers or fuel onboard.

[hondafan37]

Good interviews with Bruno Engelric (Mecachrome) and Paolo Catone (consultant)
http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/bru...pied-en-lm-p1/
http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/pao...-est-excitant/

[RWill2073]

I'm glad others see the Cadillac likeness in this design.

[TF110]

DSC getting early access to the windtunnel/cfd model. A new render is shown too.

[hondafan37]

New Pics Of Ginetta LMP1 In Williams Wind Tunnel.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/0...nd-tunnel.html

[TF110]

looks good. A big diffuser, much bigger than the hybrid cars.

[Japanese Samurai]

https://twitter.com/dailysportscar/s...6203157303300/
This rear end looks like an early concept of Dome S103 which has an air tunnel.

[deggis]

Model in the wind tunnel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XASVoOcrJ5M

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/0...l-testing.html

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/0...r-ginetta.html

“We then have to find out how much fuel flow we’ll get but with already 100 hp more than an LMP2 and with more advanced aero in a car that is 100 kg lighter we know that it is going to be rather faster than 3:25 at Le Mans!

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“At the moment we have more serious interest than we will have cars available. The plan is for 10 chassis: A development car, we hope three teams of two race cars each and a spare tub for each of those teams.

[canaglia]

CLM nismo engine should push not less than 650hp, considering that it was able to hit 3:24 without any real aero development; guess that with the same power and a much better developed aero (+ michelin tyres pheraps) 3:22 shouldn't be an issues.

Considering also that next year, very likely lmp2 will be able to set 3:24 at least.

Let's see if this ginetta lmp1 will be in grid for real next season

[Akrapovic]

I thought Sam Collins said the CLM Nismo engine was at 600hp due to the fuel flow, but capable of 700.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I thought Sam Collins said the CLM Nismo engine was at 600hp due to the fuel flow, but capable of 700.

being a V6 twin turbo, it could push up to 1000hp with an insane turbo pressure boost.
Anyway, CLM aero development is quite poor, so I guess it produces a lot of drag and a laughable downforce. Anyway the car managed to hit 340km/h at le mans and was the highest top speed car at spa too.
Considering that the car should have >100kg/h fuel flows, the real power output could be really over 600hp. Won't be surprised if has >750Nm as torque peak, being nismo gt-r engine revlimit set to 6500rpm if 2015 memory help me.

BTW, over 700Nm, >600hp @6500rpm... these remind me the DBR9 V12 figures....

[PorscheFanNo1]

Originally Posted by canaglia

BTW, over 700Nm, >600hp @6500rpm... these remind me the DBR9 V12 figures....

I miss those V12's...

[TF110]

Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

I miss those V12's...

And their sound! Never saw one live, but even on the TV they sounded great. I wonder if anyone besides Kolles will ask for the Nismo engine.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by TF110

And their sound! Never saw one live, but even on the TV they sounded great. I wonder if anyone besides Kolles will ask for the Nismo engine.

Actually nismo engine is a cosworth unit, would be nice if nissan would let cosworth to propose it to some other team too

[Graham Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I thought Sam Collins said the CLM Nismo engine was at 600hp due to the fuel flow, but capable of 700.

Its at c.630 but capable (easily) of 700

[Jam3s]

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

Its at c.630 but capable (easily) of 700

When not failing gaskets :P

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

Its at c.630 but capable (easily) of 700

That was it. Seems like a no brainer (from a fan point of view) to give it a bit more fuel to bring it up to around 700.