March 782 - Page 13

Dan Rear · 10 Jul 2007, 13:10 (Ref:1959646)

Wow, what a mess that 782 is ! 782-26s early history is well known, South then Russell then Jim Stevenson, 1978-79-80 respectively. After that into the Climber/Sprinter scene?? It never looked like that though, that nose looks like its from a Surtees TS20...

Dan Rear · 10 Jul 2007, 13:14 (Ref:1959651)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

My money would be on Franchitti having the Barton car.
Whilst AB uses his 79B [based on 782-13] at the start of the 1980 season it doesn't appear after the first few races and tellingly at Ingliston, there is Franchitti alongside Cameron Binnie in the Barton 77B.
What's the first recorded use of Franchitti with his car?

chris

Andy B kept his car at least 'til late 1981, though by then it had been well modded, with pods/nose looking like those of a 792.

driftwood · 10 Jul 2007, 13:18 (Ref:1959656)

i reckon car was shunted rebuilt with any parts around and made into the 79b referred to earlier a la 772P cum 783/2 of Kim!??

allenbrown · 10 Jul 2007, 13:18 (Ref:1959657)

Stevenson last raced 782-26 at Ingliston May 1980 after which it vanishes. Odd that it's so abrupt, so early in the season and when Stevenson had been going well in it.

I have a number for Stevenson and should soon know what happened to it next.

Dan Rear · 4 Sep 2007, 13:41 (Ref:2003573)

Anyone see the Jeremy Smith 782 at the Gold Cup last week? Good pic of it on the 'other place', it lloks like a genuine car.

driftwood · 4 Sep 2007, 16:33 (Ref:2003677)

car 20 or 28? bob salisbury car
what is the other place to see foto
ok i know DOH !! but i cant know everything i need to leave something for the others!

SRCTRUCKS · 5 Sep 2007, 07:04 (Ref:2004033)

maybe a bit off topic here !!
I am trying to locate a March based Renault 5 special saloon,
built + raced by Jim McGaughay , last known owner was the late Roy Gibson
Can anyone help ??

Steve Wilkinson · 5 Sep 2007, 10:19 (Ref:2004140)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

Anyone see the Jeremy Smith 782 at the Gold Cup last week? Good pic of it on the 'other place', it lloks like a genuine car.

According to Motorsport News this week the Jeremy Smith 782 is the ex-Bernard de Dryver 782-10 which was "last used in hillclimbing".

So is this actually the 772-10 that David Franklin used and upgraded to 782 spec? This car was then sold onto firstly Alan Richards, then John Meredith and then Rodney Eyles. Not sure what happened to it after that?

Dan Rear · 5 Sep 2007, 13:35 (Ref:2004283)

Didn't we think 782-10 was the Cramer climbing car? The one he used in 79, then winning the Hilcclimb champ in 1980, when it was heavily modded.

allenbrown · 5 Sep 2007, 14:06 (Ref:2004307)

The last summary I could find said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Based on Adam Ferrington's copy of build records; F1R; various observations and press notes:

782-10: Bob Salisbury: Bernard de Dryver; 1979: Douglas & Gavin for Chris Cramer

Then Cramer's 782/79B in 1980 (says Mason p304). Then Jimmy Jack for 1981 (Mason p310). Then I found this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

An update:

782-10: Salisbury: Bob Salisbury [TNF-AF]; Bernard de Dryver [Easter 78 Thruxton: de Dryver] ; Chris Cramer 1979 [AF] and 1980 (British champion); James Jack 1981 [AF,Mason], unused 1982, Sprints 1983, advertised Feb 1984 ... Germany ... 'znarfg' 2004.

Jack advertised the car in Autosport 2 Feb 1984 noting that it was the 1980 championship car (so definitely Cramer's), Scottish hillclimbs 1981, unused 1982 and sprints 1983.

So who was 'znarfg' anyway?

allenbrown · 5 Sep 2007, 14:22 (Ref:2004321)

Aha! Mason p361 (the book's addictive!) mentions "Billy Morris 2.0 March 78/79B" at Prescott in 1986. The car was "Chris Cramer's old Championship chassis".

We had this car as the ex-Franklin 782-9, not the ex-Cramer 782-10.

allenbrown · 5 Sep 2007, 14:30 (Ref:2004326)

Where does this fit in? Mason p373 (now up to 1987) - "former Mallock U2 pilot Bill Wood" in a 2.0 March 782 in Scottish events.

EDIT: this is the Edinburgh Bill Wood, not the Sherif Hutton farmer.

allenbrown · 5 Sep 2007, 14:32 (Ref:2004329)

Prescott Sep 1988 (p384) - Chris Cramer's son Marc has a serious accident in a March 782. I think I need Steve's help putting all this back together or I just need to stop reading this book and do some work!

Steve Wilkinson · 5 Sep 2007, 14:36 (Ref:2004331)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Where does this fit in? Mason p373 (now up to 1987) - "former Mallock U2 pilot Bill Wood" in a 2.0 March 782 in Scottish events.

For once Chris Mason was slightly off the boil with this one. The following came from Tony Wood (Bill's son):

Dad bought the March 782 BDG from Billy MacMillan from Darval in Ayrshire at the end of 1986. He was Scottish Sprint Champion in 1986 and Dad bought the car off him before the end of the season after he had won the Championship.

The car originally started life as a 783 but was transformed prior to Billy MacMillan buying it. We ran it with a 2.0 alloy blocked BDG on carbs with a Hewland FT200.

Hope that solves that one!

Steve Wilkinson · 5 Sep 2007, 14:38 (Ref:2004332)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Prescott Sep 1988 (p384) - Chris Cramer's son Marc has a serious accident in a March 782. I think I need Steve's help putting all this back together or I just need to stop reading this book and do some work!

Marc had several accidents in a March 782 before going back to the circuits.

allenbrown · 5 Sep 2007, 14:50 (Ref:2004345)

But which one did he have?

Steve Wilkinson · 5 Sep 2007, 19:15 (Ref:2004565)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

But which one did he have?

I'll make a note and get back to you as I am a tad busy at the moment getting ready for Aintree this Saturday!

James Murray · 6 Sep 2007, 07:51 (Ref:2004909)

The chassis plate on the Smith car at Oulton Park definately reads 782-10.

allenbrown · 6 Sep 2007, 08:26 (Ref:2004935)

I think we have:

782-10: Salisbury: Bob Salisbury [TNF-AF] for Bernard de Dryver [AS]; Chris Cramer 1979-1980 [AF,Mason]; James Jack 1981-1984 [AF,Mason] ... Bill Morris 1986 [Mason] ... Germany ... 'znarfg' 2004 ... Jeremy Smith 2007

The Morris bit could be wrong - that might be 782-9.

I remember talking to Bill years ago about the ex-Aurora F1 March 781, then just a pile of bits, and I noted at that time that he had a crashed 782 that could have been used to rebuild the 781. My notes are dated March 1986 which is just before he is noted by Mason as having the car at Prescott.

Allen

driftwood · 6 Sep 2007, 17:23 (Ref:2005416)

Allen Brown u should be ashamed of yourself
I have told you many times that 782-9 is the ex winklehock works car used by Franklin sold to Bill Morris always toute das ex Jack o Malley car but never was now restored via me in usa i have even sent u the fotos of the car directly
The Mason book is obviously flawed on some points can i suggest you stop reading it before it fries your brains!!
the Bill Woods 782 BDG is is the car we discussed a few weeks ago ex F3 car then to Mr C Drewiit & last seen on a recovery truck at Oulton Park 2 weeks ago ( see Motoring news)

ZFRNG escapes me at present who he is but ive spoken direct to him on a car dont ask me when or what ive slept since then

allenbrown · 6 Sep 2007, 17:29 (Ref:2005423)

Hmm, let me think, who should I trust? The admired journalist who has followed the sport for year and published a widely respected book or ... no, I shouldn't ... it would be beneath me.

I am ashamed of myself. For so many reasons. But this isn't one of them.

Dan Rear · 7 Sep 2007, 13:07 (Ref:2006069)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

I think we have:

782-10: Salisbury: Bob Salisbury [TNF-AF] for Bernard de Dryver [AS]; Chris Cramer 1979-1980 [AF,Mason]; James Jack 1981-1984 [AF,Mason] ... Bill Morris 1986 [Mason] ... Germany ... 'znarfg' 2004 ... Jeremy Smith 2007

The Morris bit could be wrong - that might be 782-9.

I remember talking to Bill years ago about the ex-Aurora F1 March 781, then just a pile of bits, and I noted at that time that he had a crashed 782 that could have been used to rebuild the 781. My notes are dated March 1986 which is just before he is noted by Mason as having the car at Prescott.

Allen

Which 781, Allen? The Musetti one I assume, or the Gerd Bichtelier car?

allenbrown · 7 Sep 2007, 13:57 (Ref:2006110)

Yes, the Musetti one.

BTW, Steve has kindly dug through his pictures and found one of Morris in his March 782 wearing Franklin's bodywork. So Mason was wrong and Drifty was rr ... rrr ... no, I just can't say it.

Dan Rear · 7 Sep 2007, 15:27 (Ref:2006162)

Slightly O/T, it looks like 8 782s came back to the UK 'National' scene in 1979 Russell in AFX, Cramer/Crompton/Franklin climbing, plus Barton/Smith/Dowsett/Kirby in FAt. Is this a modern day record??

znarfg · 10 Sep 2007, 09:03 (Ref:2008269)

Hello all,
782-10 is still in my garage. I purchased the car directly from Chris Cramer with original chassis-plate and race documentation.
regards

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