Toyota/Rebellion Racing - Le Mans/ILMC/LMS - 2011 (merged)

[The Badger]

Does homologation cover aero body panels too ?

Surly its just the tub that is homologated ?

Suspension geometry can be moved without re-homologation ..... am I correct ?

If its not too outta the way , I bet Toyota will mess about with the aero of the stock chassis , i would expect .

[MulsanneMike]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Does homologation cover aero body panels too ?

Surly its just the tub that is homologated ?

Suspension geometry can be moved without re-homologation ..... am I correct ?

If its not too outta the way , I bet Toyota will mess about with the aero of the stock chassis , i would expect .

No, major bodywork dimensions are homologated. And as far as I understand, while the bodywork's shape isn't homologated perse (I don't believe it is), if you show up with major modifications you better have shown it to the ACO 15 days prior to the event. There's a tolerance to all the bodywork dimension's homologation; something like +/- 5 mm, to account for slight changes to geometry.

[The Badger]

I was thinking that . Pescarolo did a lot of work on his cars before he had to homologate them as pescarolo's .

But Mike , is the shape homologated ? What Im getting at is , I do understand that the basic measurements must be adhered to , +/- 5 mm . For example , if team A had a Lola Judd and team B had a Lola Honda , and wished to melt the bodywork around the installation because the engine was more compact ..... they can do that ?

Is it possible (allowed) for Toyota to change the shape of the bodywork , as long as they stay within the dimensions given ?

Cuz I fully expect to see some differant aero as time rolls on , once Toyota get their guru's on it .

[MulsanneMike]

Originally Posted by The Badger

I was thinking that . Pescarolo did a lot of work on his cars before he had to homologate them as pescarolo's .

But Mike , is the shape homologated ? What Im getting at is , I do understand that the basic measurements must be adhered to , +/- 5 mm . For example , if team A had a Lola Judd and team B had a Lola Honda , and wished to melt the bodywork around the installation because the engine was more compact ..... they can do that ?

Is it possible (allowed) for Toyota to change the shape of the bodywork , as long as they stay within the dimensions given ?

Cuz I fully expect to see some differant aero as time rolls on , once Toyota get their guru's on it .

On recollection I believe the shape of the car is homologated.

1.2.2 - Modifications : the specifications listed in the Homologation Form and all the aerodynamic elements of the car can be changed only by the car manufacturer and with the ACO agreement.


Frankly I don't expect Toyota to touch Rebellion's car. It's an engine supply deal.

[TF110]

The 3.4L V8 is the basis of the SuperGT engine, but that engine itself was taken from Formula Nippon. Not sure about IRL, that's a ways back. Perhaps the engine could be based off of their F1 engines from 2009. 2.4 liter V8's, which had NO failures in 2009 amongst TWO teams, Toyota and Williams. So that is pretty reliable in itself! Though I suspect an F1 engine would be a bit different from a LeMans engine. But then again, they used it in F-Nippon, and in their SuperGT cars. Driver situation they have quite a few in the stable. From their guys who've ran in SuperGT at least, and a few of them have taken part in their N24 program.

[Japanese Samurai]

The feature of Toyota RV8K(it named RV8KG for SGT) is to be set up the cam gear train on the output shaft side.
It is harmonized engine with the FR layout.

[TF110]

The engine code for Toyota's F1 engines is RVX-xx such as RVX-06 for their 2006 engine. Similarities in the names for whatever it's worth.

[Joe Taylor]

I highly doubt that a Formula 1 engine will be seen at Le Mans in the near future as they're only designed for a life of 2000km.

[Captain Spyro]

A couple of more articles. This one states that it will be the Le Mans Series and not the ILMC, though that could be speculation on part of the author.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/to...ing-27648.html

This one talks about the Lola, but not really that much more info than we already know I believe.

http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...?ID=395955&FS=

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Captain Spyro

This one talks about the Lola, but not really that much more info than we already know I believe.

http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...?ID=395955&FS=

What is interesting is the angle of the partnership the article gives.
According to the article it's Toyota who selected Rebellion and Lola, and not the other way around.
This indicates that the project is something of Toyotas own initiative, which makes the future full effort project much more likely.

[Simmi]

I definitely think I will be supporting Rebellion a whole lot more next year. Given a good showing could bring Toyota into the fold.

It will be interesting to see how Toyota spin it from a PR perspective. All losses are for Rebellion and all wins for Toyota?

[JAG]

Go to Acura, AER-Mazda or Nismo and they'll lease you an engine.

Will Toyota?

[TF110]

This doesn't seem like a leasing deal, it seems more like, 'were Toyota, you are privileged to have our engine and services' and Rebellion pretty much is saying the same thing. I'm thinking Toyota has some promising figures from the engine. Either its got some good power or good reliability, probably both. I wouldn't doubt they're involved with the chassis either. So to me, this seems more like a half Toyota half Rebllion Lola effort, not just an engine deal.

And about the engine, if you read what I wrote, I only said the engine codes for the SuperGT engine and their F1 engine are similar.

[chernaudi]

I don't know what Toyota drivers will be involved with Rebellion, it's almost easier to determine those who probably won't. For certian Andre Lotterer is out because of his Audi LM/ILMC contract. And Lotterer's former TOM'S team mate in Super GT may be out unless he ends up at another Toyota team or is a Toyota factory driver himself with an active contract.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by TF110

The engine code for Toyota's F1 engines is RVX-xx such as RVX-06 for their 2006 engine. Similarities in the names for whatever it's worth.

Yes, Super GT engines are based on the Formula Nippon engines, however, the have absolutely nothing to do with their Formula One engines.

Toyota's RV8 engines have evolved from Indy in fact, It is a designation given to their V8 racing engines. They have been around in various displacements and configurations (including turbocharged config) for quite a while.

RV8-(A-D, 2.65L, pictured here from the Eagle 987 Indy racer)


RV8E Champ car

RV8J (3.0, old formula Nippon, Super GT GT300)


RV8K (3.4l Formula Nippon)


The Formula 1 RVX is derived from their RVX05 V10 formula engine which goes back to their beginnings in Formula 1 and perhaps even the V12 which they were initially developing.

[TF110]

I realize they aren't related, just saying in the Toyota world the engines share common names.

[CTD]

I'm starting to wonder if we should call this thread the "Toyota TS030"?

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by CTD

I'm starting to wonder if we should call this thread the "Toyota TS030"?

Ha no don't jinx it!!!

[Bentley03]

Originally Posted by CTD

I'm starting to wonder if we should call this thread the "Toyota TS030"?

Maybe for 2012, but 2011 is clearly all about the supply of engines to Rebellion.

[Lola T70]

Has anyone noticed that the first Rebellion Toyota pictures posted on DSC do not have any Toyota logos on the car at all?

Is that not a bit odd if the partnership is as suggested?

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by Lola T70

Has anyone noticed that the first Rebellion Toyota pictures posted on DSC do not have any Toyota logos on the car at all?

Is that not a bit odd if the partnership is as suggested?

Are they the same as the facebook ones?

As far as I'm aware the partnership had not been officially announced at the time of the tests. Plus they were done in a certain degree of secrecy. Coupled with the death of Hugh Hayden. I don't think there was really any cause to plaster Toyota over the cars. I think the facebook pics were just an afterthought tbh.

[Lola T70]

No idea if they are the same Simmi. Just found it odd that there are no Toyota or TMG logos.

You may have the answer though.

[CTD]

Can anyone post these pictures?

[Simmi]

These were the facebook ones from a week or so ago:

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-5863.html

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Simmi

These were the facebook ones from a week or so ago:

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-5863.html

Thanks, those i have seen before .
I was thinking more about the DSC once, they must be somewhere else on the net

Edit:
By checking their homepage, Twitter and Facebook sites the latest release is the one from the 15. December, so there are no new pictures of the car.