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Old 27 Feb 2023, 11:09 (Ref:4145066)   #1
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For those that don't know the drill, make predictions for 2023 (realistic, brave or plain bonkers - it really doesn't matter), try to make them as quantifiable as possible (easy to say at year's end if they came to fruition or not), and the thread gets closed before Friday practice in Bahrain and re-opened after Sunday's race in Abu dhabi.

1. Alonso will win at least one Grand Prix and will finish on the podium at least three times.

2. Verstappen will win the championship by at least 75 points.

3. Russell will outscore Hamilton.

4. Hamilton will fail to score a Grand Prix win for the second season ever and in a row.

5. Piastri will outscore Norris (outlandish, I know).

6. At least five teams will score a Grand Prix win.

7. Williams will at least double their 2022 points haul.

8. Drugovich will score points on his debut.

9. Verstappen expletives will be heard on the radio in at least three Grand Prix that he wins.

10. Sainz will outscore Leclerc.

11. Not one driver will be replaced in a Grand Prix all season.

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12. A power cut will occur in Las Vegas.

13. Some driver will gamble at least a million dollars.

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Old 27 Feb 2023, 12:37 (Ref:4145073)   #2
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1. Russell will win WDC

2. Hamilton will win at least 3 GPs

3. Alonso will take 2 podiums but no wins

4. Norris will finish with at least 3x as many points as Piastri

5. Norris will win at least one GP

6. Leclerc will take more wins than Sainz but will ultimately be outscored by his teammate.

7. Verstappen will have at least one spat with RBR team bosses regarding race order between himself and his teammate.

8. Red Bull Racing will suffer more engine failures than any other team.

9. Ocon and Gasly will have at least two collisions with each other during the season

10. de Vries will outscore Tsunoda for Alpha Tauri

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11. The British GP will be delayed or red flagged at some point after torrential rain.

12. Checo Perez will win the Mexican GP
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Old 27 Feb 2023, 13:23 (Ref:4145077)   #3
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1. Haas will get a podium finish

2. Russell will outscore Hamilton in the WDC

3. Ocon and Gasly will finish next to each other in the final WDC table.

4. Horner will begin the answer to every question "Yes, No..." or "No, Yes..."

5 Every driver on the grid will say "For sure" at some point during every interview.

6 Hamilton and Verstappen will collide at least twice

7 Logan Sargeant will make the final part of qualy at some point during the season

8 Alonso will win a race this season.
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Old 27 Feb 2023, 14:47 (Ref:4145086)   #4
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1) At least one Haas will be in the top ten on the grid in every race.
2) Both Mercedes drivers will win this year
3) Both Alpines drivers will be on the podium at some point
4) We'll see less of Horner on our screen
5) Bottas will quit mid season
6) Hamilton will retire by the end of the season
7) More teams will join for 2024
8) Both Williams and Aston won't do much
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Old 27 Feb 2023, 15:14 (Ref:4145096)   #5
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My theme is that 2023 will in many ways look like 2022

1. Max as repeat WDC
2. RBR, Ferrari, Mercedes in that order in WCC
3. Ferrari will improve over last year (fewer obvious errors), but RBR is a well oiled machine and dominant.
4. Mercedes will struggle to get past RBR and Ferrari. The minimal sidepod solution will prove to not be the right solution and they will rework significantly with a B-spec car mid season.
5. George will outscore Lewis again.
6. Fernando will win a race
7. Magnussen and Hulkenberg will end up with an on track conflict with each other resulting in return of Haas driver drama.
8. Sargeant will get on pace quickly and while Albon will out score him over the season, Sargeant will sometimes beat Albon.
9. Yuki will not settle down and will continue to be hot and cold letting de Vries outscore him even if Yuki shows quicker overall pace.
10. McLaren will finish lower in the WCC than they did in 2022

Out there predictions

11. Lewis will announce retirement
12. This will be Yuki's last year in F1 (hope this is wrong).
13. Andretti will buy AT (probably quite premature for a 2023 prediction, but oh well)

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Old 27 Feb 2023, 15:21 (Ref:4145100)   #6
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1. Red Bull win over half the races and Max Verstappen is world champion with multiple races remaining.

2. Mercedes finish second in the championship with Lewis Hamilton comfortably beating George Russell.

3. Ferrari will decline and win no more than two races.

4. Lando Norris will dominate teammate Oscar Piastri but still won't win a race.

5. No more than two podiums will come from outside the top three teams.

6. Yuki Tsunoda will have a strong season and beat Nyck de Vries.

7. Nico Hulkenberg will beat Kevin Magnussen.

8. Andretti and any other new teams will be blocked from entering for reasons of greed.

9. Liberty Media will introduce at least one new rule change aimed at improving the show but which is terrible.

10. The sprint races continue to be like those of the last two seasons but one of them will be very exciting and so the whole project will be deemed a great success and more will be added to the calendar for 2024.

Reading back through these, it looks like I am predicting literally the worst season in Formula 1 history (sorry ), but based on my record of past seasons hopefully that means this will not happen!

And my brave prediction is that the FIA will sever its ties with Formula 1 before the end of the season.

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Old 27 Feb 2023, 15:26 (Ref:4145103)   #7
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1. Alonso to win a race again (on on this bandwagon for sure)
2. AM will finish in the top 3 for constructors.
3. Sainz will leave Ferrari at end of season because Ferrari 2nd driver shenanigans.
4. Lewis will get back to winning races
5. RBR pace will fall off as season progresses (vindication of the cap and past winner restriction rules).
6. midfield battle of the season will be an old school battle between Mclaren and Williams
7. Vettel will sub in for at least one race
8. Hulk will outscore Mags
9. Gasly and Ocon will get into several fights/arguments both on and off track.
10. Renault to announce that it will return and supplant Alpine name/branding
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Old 27 Feb 2023, 17:03 (Ref:4145127)   #8
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1) At least one Haas will be in the top ten on the grid in every race.
2) Both Mercedes drivers will win this year
3) Both Alpines drivers will be on the podium at some point
4) We'll see less of Horner on our screen
5) Bottas will quit mid season
6) Hamilton will retire by the end of the season
7) More teams will join for 2024
8) Both Williams and Aston won't do much
4 and 8 aren't exactly easy to quantify.....
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Old 28 Feb 2023, 02:08 (Ref:4145183)   #9
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1. Aston Martin will score two podiums, beat McLaren in points.
2. Ferrari will win at least two races.
3. RBR will win either the WDC or the constructors Championship but not both.
4. Mercedes will win at least three races.
5. Haas will score at least two top five results in the GP's.
6. McLaren will struggle to be in the top five results until after Austrian GP.
7. Norris will quadruple Piastri's points total.
8. Norris will score a podium but no wins.
9. Alpine will fail to score as many points as they did in 2022, but both drivers will outscore Piastri.
10. Sargent will not outscore Albon but will solidify his reputation as a coming man for the future.
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  1. Red Bull will win the Drivers and Constructors championship. Ferrari will place second and Mercedes third.
  2. Russell will place higher in the points than Hamilton and Lewis will announce his retirement.
  3. Norris will be the frontrunner for Lewis's replacement.
  4. Aston Martin will be duelling with Mercedes for third in the constructors and both will be well clear in points of the midfield runners but significantly behind Red Bull and Ferrari.
  5. McLaren will be beaten by Williams in the constructors championship and finish last or 2nd last in the constructor's championship.
  6. Alonso will win a race.
  7. Perez will miss one race.
  8. De Vries will outscore Tsunoda.
  9. Hamilton and Russell will collide during a race.
  10. Four teams will win races. (Sprint or GP)

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  11. Norris will outscore Piastri. However, Piastri will outqualify Norris 5 times.
  12. Stroll will miss the first 3 races of the season.
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Old 28 Feb 2023, 13:57 (Ref:4145260)   #11
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1) At least one Haas will be in the top ten on the grid in every race.
2) Both Mercedes drivers will win this year
3) Both Alpines drivers will be on the podium at some point
4) We'll see less of Horner on our screen
5) Bottas will quit mid season
6) Hamilton will retire by the end of the season
7) More teams will join for 2024
8) Both Williams and Aston won't do much
One more
9) Ferrari will races, but not the title
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1) Verstappen to win WDC.
2) McLaren to finish lower than last season in the constructors championship.
3) Hamilton to announce retirement.
4) The Alpine drivers will collide at least once.
5) The Haas drivers collide at least once.
6) Tsunoda outscored by De Vries and gets the boot from Alpha Tauri.
7) Ferrari make at least 3 ridiculous strategy calls.
8) No more than 3 teams will win a race.
9) Leclerc makes at least 2 qualifying/race ending driving errors.
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That looks like 9/9 to me
Nothing wild, execpt maybe Hamilton, but that isn't out of the question at his age and if he isn't looking like winning again, because the guy wants to win
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1. Verstappen to make it three in a row
2. Mercedes to beat Ferrari in the WCC
3. There will be a new race winner
4. Alfa Romeo Sauber will get a podium
5. There will be a driver change
6. De Vries will get double the points of Tsunoda
7. Stroll will get Aston Martin's only podium of the year
8. Ocon will beat Gasly
9. Every driver will get points
10. McLaren and Honda will formally annouce they're getting back together
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1. Red Bull win over half the races and Max Verstappen is world champion with multiple races remaining.
Yes, well over half.

2. Mercedes finish second in the championship with Lewis Hamilton comfortably beating George Russell.
I think this is correct as well

3. Ferrari will decline and win no more than two races.
Correct again

4. Lando Norris will dominate teammate Oscar Piastri but still won't win a race.
Some might say 'dominate' is a bit much but I think Norris was well ahead of Piastri so will take this as another correct answer

5. No more than two podiums will come from outside the top three teams.
Thankfully not, Aston Martin and McLaren definitely outperformed by expectations

6. Yuki Tsunoda will have a strong season and beat Nyck de Vries.
Yes

7. Nico Hulkenberg will beat Kevin Magnussen.
Yes

8. Andretti and any other new teams will be blocked from entering for reasons of greed.
We still don't know about this one.

9. Liberty Media will introduce at least one new rule change aimed at improving the show but which is terrible.
I don't think they did

10. The sprint races continue to be like those of the last two seasons but one of them will be very exciting and so the whole project will be deemed a great success and more will be added to the calendar for 2024.
Wow, I was in a bad mood when writing these! But I think this one is probably right as they aren't going anywhere, although sprints seem more at risk than they did a year ago, perhaps thanks to Max Verstappen

Reading back through these, it looks like I am predicting literally the worst season in Formula 1 history (sorry ), but based on my record of past seasons hopefully that means this will not happen!
Unfortunately, this year I actually did quite well! I make that 7/9 with the Andretti one still undecided.

And my brave prediction is that the FIA will sever its ties with Formula 1 before the end of the season.
The tensions here seem to have died down about but haven't gone away. But obviously this prediction was wrong
I did better than I wanted to this year.
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1. Aston Martin will score two podiums, beat McLaren in points.
Well they got more than two podiums but didn't beat McLaren

2. Ferrari will win at least two races.
They did win one. The only win that wasn't RBR

3. RBR will win either the WDC or the constructors Championship but not both.
Wrong.
4. Mercedes will win at least three races.
Wrong
5. Haas will score at least two top five results in the GP's.
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6. McLaren will struggle to be in the top five results until after Austrian GP.
Correct. Good revival.
7. Norris will quadruple Piastri's points total.
Wrong
8. Norris will score a podium but no wins.
True
9. Alpine will fail to score as many points as they did in 2022, but both drivers will outscore Piastri.
First part is correct, but Piastri outscored them.
10. Sargent will not outscore Albon but will solidify his reputation as a coming man for the future.
Didn't outscore Albon so that's right but probably hasn't established himself as a future winner.

Im happy to be wrong about Piastri but overall not a good year for predictions.
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1) At least one Haas will be in the top ten on the grid in every race.
2) Both Mercedes drivers will win this year
3) Both Alpines drivers will be on the podium at some point
4) We'll see less of Horner on our screen
5) Bottas will quit mid season
6) Hamilton will retire by the end of the season
7) More teams will join for 2024
8) Both Williams and Aston won't do much
1) Nope, couldn't be more wrong
2) No, never looked likely to either
3) Got that one right
4) Dream on!
5) No, still here for another season
6) ditto
7) Have to wait one more year
8) Both did quite a bit
9) "Ferrari win will races, but not the title". Only took the one win, so kind of right there
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1. Russell will win WDC Oh dear, what was I on?!

2. Hamilton will win at least 3 GPs Nope.

3. Alonso will take 2 podiums but no wins Yep.

4. Norris will finish with at least 3x as many points as Piastri Nope. Should have just gone for twice as many.

5. Norris will win at least one GP Sadly not.

6. Leclerc will take more wins than Sainz but will ultimately be outscored by his teammate. Nope. Sainz was the only top step interloper in the Red Bull-fest but TNBT Leclerc only just outscored him...

7. Verstappen will have at least one spat with RBR team bosses regarding race order between himself and his teammate. I don't think this happened, did it? Checo wasn't good enough to cause it to happen.

8. Red Bull Racing will suffer more engine failures than any other team. Hilarious....

9. Ocon and Gasly will have at least two collisions with each other during the season No, can't remember but assuming not.

10. de Vries will outscore Tsunoda for Alpha Tauri Didn't get a chance to find out. It was always unlikely though.

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11. The British GP will be delayed or red flagged at some point after torrential rain. Nope.

12. Checo Perez will win the Mexican GP Er, not quite.....
Didn't exactly cover myself in glory there!

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Didn't exactly cover myself in glory there!
9 is correct, they collided in Australia and in Hungary, although both were innocent in the latter.
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7. Verstappen will have at least one spat with RBR team bosses regarding race order between himself and his teammate.
Two times were sort of close(ish):

Saudi Arabian Grand Prix:
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Gianpiero Lambiase [GP]: We will like to target a 33.0. 33.0.
GP: Max any more feedback on that issue from before?
VER: Well it's still there
GP: Yup understood. Ok target 33.0. 33.0
Lap 40
GP: That's 33.0
GP: Max, confirm 33.0
Lap 41
GP: 33.0. 33.0
Lap 43
GP: Max, can you target 33:0 please?
Lap 45
GP: Ok that’s 5 laps remaining coming up. Gap is 5+
VER: What's the fastest lap?
GP: We are not concerned about that at the moment Max.
VER: Yeah but I am.
GP: So, 32.1, 32.1. "


Spanish Grand Prix:
Asking what the fastest lap was - held by Sergio at the time - he was told to stand down and to simply enjoy a relaxing drive back to the finish line. The Dutch driver didn't listen, and instead extended his lead with the perfect qualifying lap, putting in the fastest lap of the race.
"We didn't want Max to set the fastest lap, but you can't stop that," Helmut Marko told Sky Sports F1. "He already had three warnings for exceeding track limits. You shouldn't risk anything in such a situation, but you can't be angry with him for that."
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1. Max as repeat WDC Yes, but not a stretch prediction.
2. RBR, Ferrari, Mercedes in that order in WCC No, but almost
3. Ferrari will improve over last year (fewer obvious errors), but RBR is a well oiled machine and dominant. Maybe for Ferrari? Yes for RBR
4. Mercedes will struggle to get past RBR and Ferrari. The minimal sidepod solution will prove to not be the right solution and they will rework significantly with a B-spec car mid season. Mercedes minimal sidepod was failure. They barely made it past Ferrari.
5. George will outscore Lewis again. Nope. Rough year for George
6. Fernando will win a race No (sadly)
7. Magnussen and Hulkenberg will end up with an on track conflict with each other resulting in return of Haas driver drama. No
8. Sargeant will get on pace quickly and while Albon will out score him over the season, Sargeant will sometimes beat Albon. No. Big miss for me.
9. Yuki will not settle down and will continue to be hot and cold letting de Vries outscore him even if Yuki shows quicker overall pace. No. Yuki has the speed, but still working on consistency. But another big miss for me.
10. McLaren will finish lower in the WCC than they did in 2022 No. Late season resurgence and they moved up one position over 2022. Glad to be wrong on this.

Out there predictions

11. Lewis will announce retirement No
12. This will be Yuki's last year in F1 (hope this is wrong). No
13. Andretti will buy AT (probably quite premature for a 2023 prediction, but oh well) No

Overall, pretty poor predictions.

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