LM24 Le Mans 2005 - Page 55

brielga · 25 Jun 2005, 12:56 (Ref:1339827)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Le Mans 2005: My Conclusions

Final conclusion: It was a great race!

I agree with FIRE in almost everything, I am very curious about LMP1 next year with Audi, Dome, Pesca and maybe RfH running LMES....
LMP2 needs much more homework in reliability.
GT1 might be a cracker with other teams running Astons and in GT2 Panoz showed speed and Spyker significant improvement (much as I criticized them before)

Again, we have 4 simultaneous races with overtaking and battling, this is better than a 6 car race with flying water bottles!!!!!

**FIRE** · 25 Jun 2005, 13:07 (Ref:1339833)

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Originally Posted by lj79

But dont u think it looked absolutely fantastic? Its the car I filmed most, despite its early exit. And Coronel waving to the Dutch fans as he deaprted on his installation lao was seminal.

Yes, it's a great looking car but Le Mans is about winning (or at least to be competative) and to race until Sunday afternoon. The car has potential but I don't like the way Spyker is running the project.

cg7aa · 26 Jun 2005, 00:16 (Ref:1340145)

Does anyone how much time in total Vanina had at the wheel of the Rollcentre Dallara? I don't recall seeing a great deal of her despite looking out for her.

Also compared to her team mates what was her pace like?

Thanks.

Fab · 26 Jun 2005, 05:16 (Ref:1340213)

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Originally Posted by lj79

But dont u think it looked absolutely fantastic?

I do.

Really original from the start (I mean even the roofed ones).

The street legal model is nice too, but the dash and equipement are a little bit "show off", IMHO...

The race car is fine - and the sound too !

kdr · 26 Jun 2005, 09:54 (Ref:1340280)

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Originally Posted by cg7aa

Does anyone how much time in total Vanina had at the wheel of the Rollcentre Dallara? I don't recall seeing a great deal of her despite looking out for her.

Also compared to her team mates what was her pace like?

Thanks.

the rlm reports suggested that as the car was running for a period with no power steering, short and barbosa did a lot of the driving, but i definitely have a picture of her driving and remember them saying she was back in the car. someone(mowlem?)on rlm said a prototype with wide wheels and tiny steering wheel - but with the power steering gone would be almost impossible for a woman to drive round le mans. she's not exactly the biggest woman in the world so if she did do some stints then great effort.

dscphotos · 26 Jun 2005, 11:30 (Ref:1340323)

Hi all,

I just added two new portfolio on my website about the 24 Hours of Le Mans 2005 (104 pictures).

To do so I decided to reorganize my existing portofolio and added a new one dedicated to the 24 Hours of Le Mans which contains 188 pictures (for the years 2004 and 2005).

Any comments and suggestions are welcome !

Rgds.

cg7aa · 26 Jun 2005, 11:51 (Ref:1340330)

FIRE's race summary mentions that Creation had an 'anonymous race', personally, I reckon that title should go to the Oreca team. They made no impression on me whatsoever in terms of trying to hang onto the Pescarolos in some way or another like the Champion R8s. Lack of experience with the car maybe?

**FIRE** · 26 Jun 2005, 11:57 (Ref:1340332)

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Originally Posted by cg7aa

FIRE's race summary mentions that Creation had an 'anonymous race', personally, I reckon that title should go to the Oreca team. They made no impression on me whatsoever in terms of trying to hang onto the Pescarolos in some way or another like the Champion R8s. Lack of experience with the car maybe?

Oreca had indeed also a relative anonymous race. I agree about the lack of experience.

brielga · 26 Jun 2005, 20:11 (Ref:1340502)

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdr

the rlm reports suggested that as the car was running for a period with no power steering, short and barbosa did a lot of the driving, but i definitely have a picture of her driving and remember them saying she was back in the car. someone(mowlem?)on rlm said a prototype with wide wheels and tiny steering wheel - but with the power steering gone would be almost impossible for a woman to drive round le mans. she's not exactly the biggest woman in the world so if she did do some stints then great effort.

I heard martin Short in RLM around midnight mentioning Vanina was going to stop driving after the power steering failure. however she was back on the car in the morning and I also have a picture of her driving through Arnage. What i do not know is whether they had fixed the power steering...

jna · 26 Jun 2005, 20:55 (Ref:1340540)

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jna · 26 Jun 2005, 21:50 (Ref:1340585)

Having I hope defended my PC from the aforementioned, I can now post my comment about Autosport’s poor coverage of Le Mans. Twenty-four pages devoted to six cars and the antics in America. Twelve pages to the forty-nine runners at Le Mans.

The front cover’s banner headline is reminiscent of a Sunday gutter press newspaper’s latest revelation about a soap star’s private life. Surely on this occasion the management of this magazine ought to have acknowledged the history that was made in France with the cover dedicated to a jubilant Tom Kristensen crossing the line.

TK wasn’t mentioned in the lead editorial. Two pages were wasted on a picture of a couple of grumpy men on a podium. Empty race charts full of non-runners. I could go on.

Ok, so in a way it was an historic day in America, but it deserved to take a back seat to Le Mans, an excellent race and its fans, but of course bad news is good news to the media and always will be.

Fab · 27 Jun 2005, 05:13 (Ref:1340719)

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Graham Goodwin · 27 Jun 2005, 06:19 (Ref:1340737)

Quote:

Originally Posted by brielga

I heard martin Short in RLM around midnight mentioning Vanina was going to stop driving after the power steering failure. however she was back on the car in the morning and I also have a picture of her driving through Arnage. What i do not know is whether they had fixed the power steering...

No they didn't

brielga · 27 Jun 2005, 06:41 (Ref:1340744)

Thanks Graham, that makes her run pretty impressive then.

Fab · 27 Jun 2005, 07:15 (Ref:1340772)

A splendid pic of the start thanks to Eric Fabre/V'Images and Infocourse...

You'll find a nice pic of the grid at the same place and thanks to the same photographer...

jna · 27 Jun 2005, 07:36 (Ref:1340792)

Fab,

Excellent pictures. Thank you for removing that 'virused' link. I do hope that nobody has incurred a problem after clicking on the link without suitable virus protection.

Fab · 27 Jun 2005, 07:44 (Ref:1340799)

To make it easier... Jérôme Mugnier's Virages summarized the main links to the galeries (including some official ones). More pics for afficionados...

Pilgrimage · 27 Jun 2005, 18:12 (Ref:1341287)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jna

Having I hope defended my PC from the aforementioned, I can now post my comment about Autosport’s poor coverage of Le Mans. Twenty-four pages devoted to six cars and the antics in America. Twelve pages to the forty-nine runners at Le Mans.

The front cover’s banner headline is reminiscent of a Sunday gutter press newspaper’s latest revelation about a soap star’s private life. Surely on this occasion the management of this magazine ought to have acknowledged the history that was made in France with the cover dedicated to a jubilant Tom Kristensen crossing the line.

TK wasn’t mentioned in the lead editorial. Two pages were wasted on a picture of a couple of grumpy men on a podium. Empty race charts full of non-runners. I could go on.

Ok, so in a way it was an historic day in America, but it deserved to take a back seat to Le Mans, an excellent race and its fans, but of course bad news is good news to the media and always will be.

Yep - that about sum's it up.
F1 is still considered to be the "pinacle" of motor racing by the press and non-motor sports fans (whoever they are).
I have long held the opinion that it pales in comparison to sportcar racing in general and Le Mans especially.

MSportUK · 27 Jun 2005, 20:23 (Ref:1341417)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pilgrimage

F1 is still considered to be the "pinacle" of motor racing by the press and non-motor sports fans (whoever they are).
I have long held the opinion that it pales in comparison to sportcar racing in general and Le Mans especially.

I think the fiasco in America while Le Mans was celebrating new records and the end of a sporting era, should have made that clear enough. What IS wrong with people?!

The Badger · 27 Jun 2005, 20:59 (Ref:1341458)

One of the most impressive cars at this years race was the Jim Gainer Dome S101 HB . Late on wednesday evening first qualifying , when the traction control cut in on the way outta Tetre Rouge was an amazing sound . Cant wait to see what they can do next year !!! well driver too .....

Vanina Ickx did a great job too , first time at LM in a proto !!!

The TVR was sad considering what the car can do . Is the Peninsula car up to the same spec as the LNT cars ? I suspect its not !

As for the Spyker , Coronel had that car sideways most of the lap , should have had Loeb in there , a great little car with some great drivers and hopefully enough wedge to get it working like it should ..... sounds magnificent too !

Very disapointed with the factory Courage effort ..... methinks Courage has way too much on his plate !

There was talk that the new weight of the Audi led to some Audi personal thinking that this was the main reason for the suspension failure on the Oreca car ? Any truth in this rumour ?

gwyllion · 27 Jun 2005, 21:24 (Ref:1341488)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

There was talk that the new weight of the Audi led to some Audi personal thinking that this was the main reason for the suspension failure on the Oreca car ? Any truth in this rumour ?

This make sense. The suspension was designed for the 900 kg weight and now it has to carry 50 kg extra.

The Oreca chassis has suffered a lot: McNish crash in Le Mans 2004, Kaffer fireworks in LMES Spa 2004 and Gounon crash in LMES Spa 2005. Maybe the tub is not that good any more? Or it is doomed

Champion had to replace the same wishbone on the #2 Audi after McNish's off.

jhansen · 27 Jun 2005, 23:42 (Ref:1341577)

Well, the guys on the Speed broadcast said the chassis for the overall winner (Champion #3) was the last R8 chassis ever made (#605). And that was its first race.

jna · 28 Jun 2005, 13:44 (Ref:1341999)

Everything has its price.

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marcosgt · 28 Jun 2005, 16:09 (Ref:1342103)

Am I the only one who thought that LMP2 was actually pretty good this year.

Sure the cars are fragile, but this year's battle seemed all about the things that makes Le Mans great - Battling against adversity, drivers crashing and getting the cars back, mechanics fixing them up, the lead changing between 3 cars in the last few hours. I'll also admit I'm a Tommy Erdos fan, so I took great pleasure in seeing the MG-Lola and him taking a Le Mans victory.

Often it's all down to one car still running, but this year there were a number of cars actually fighting each other and the best team, overall, won.

The LMP1 and GT1 were also good, with the tortoise beating the hare (as expected) in LMP1, but the hare doing much better than some predicted - It was certainly no walkover for Audi and Pescarolo can be proud of their second place.

GT1 was a replay of last year, with Corvette holding their nerve and Prodrive cracking, but it was still a great battle. Shame the Astons are so ugly, though...

GT2 - Not really sure what happened there, did a Porsche win?

Cheers

TheNewBob · 28 Jun 2005, 21:58 (Ref:1342392)

I'd question your wisdom upon thinking the Aston's are ugly (I think the new blue Cirtek car is stunning)... but then I spotted the "Marcos" in your username so I'd personally let you off the hook in an instant

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