LM24 Le Mans 2005 - Page 56

Bramzel · 28 Jun 2005, 22:04 (Ref:1342401)

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcosgt

Am I the only one who thought that LMP2 was actually pretty good this year.

The battle was good, the fact that RML won even better, but what dissapointed me the most was the fact that they weren't even able to keep up with the GT2's. Lack of speed and reliability.

TheNewBob · 28 Jun 2005, 22:28 (Ref:1342415)

Is that likely to be down to driver ability or going slower to help preserve the cars through poor reliability? Or even both?

The Badger · 28 Jun 2005, 22:35 (Ref:1342420)

I think the LMP2 race was a disgrace !! It seemed to be a lot of walking wounded at the end . The G-force car had mega problems with parts supply and nearly didnt make the race . Miracle was a sad effort from someone who should know the car by now . The WR's were sad to watch and to think of the cars that didnt get in !!!

The drivers were not the issue , the cars were the issue !!!

Enough said on my part ! Porsche is going to wipe everything when it appears ..... sad but true

marcosgt · 29 Jun 2005, 10:35 (Ref:1342665)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Badger

Porsche is going to wipe everything when it appears ..... sad but true

True, so we can look forward to another 1 make class...

Cheers.

Nordic · 29 Jun 2005, 10:46 (Ref:1342673)

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcosgt

True, so we can look forward to another 1 make class...

Cheers.

Worked well in the group C days, the 956/962 pretty much walked over anything else. Now the Grp C's are looked at with affection and the Porsche as one of the best ever cars.

If Porsche can sell enough it will hopefully make the rest up their game, but agree, as things stand the last man standing way of winning is not the best.

I thought Belmondo had done enough to win.

jna · 29 Jun 2005, 13:14 (Ref:1342803)

Belmondo did not have the luck with him – other than I gather that neither of his cars covered the last lap within six minutes but were still classified.

My post is a request to those who know the rules better than me and can perhaps clarify two issues regarding the Rollcentre #8 car.

1) It was threatened with disqualification if it did not complete a lap within one hour of the start.

2) When interviewed by Radio Le Mans, a team member was unaware of a rule that if the car did not complete a certain percentage of the overall leader’s laps by midday it would be disqualified.

Neither myself, nor the person I have travelled with to nineteen Le Mans have ever heard of these rules before.

Would be interest to hear from somebody on these points. Thanks.

Laurent · 29 Jun 2005, 14:34 (Ref:1342922)

Here it is. Found it in the Supplementary regulations.

Art. 25 - Classifications
Ref. to "A.C.O. 2005 Specifications"
25.2.5 - In order to be classified, a car shall have achieved :
A/ When 75 % of the time of the race has elapsed : at least 50 % of
the distance achieved by the car leading the race under pain of
Exclusion ;
B/ At the Finish : at least 70 % of the distance achieved by the car
winning the race.
C/ The last lap in a time inferior to 6 minutes. It is forbidden to stop on
the track waiting for the presentation of the chequered flag.

jna · 30 Jun 2005, 07:27 (Ref:1343543)

Laurent,

Thank you kindly for this information. Are the regulations available on the web or did you extract the detail from a personal copy?

Laurent · 30 Jun 2005, 07:31 (Ref:1343548)

They are available on the web and you can find them here.

jna · 30 Jun 2005, 07:42 (Ref:1343560)

Thank you Laurent.

lj79 · 30 Jun 2005, 17:38 (Ref:1344015)

[QUOTE=jna]
2) When interviewed by Radio Le Mans, a team member was unaware of a rule that if the car did not complete a certain percentage of the overall leader’s laps by midday it would be disqualified.

QUOTE]

It was BV-R. If I'd have been interviewing him at the time I'd have wished for the floor to swallow me...

jna · 30 Jun 2005, 19:37 (Ref:1344145)

I can only assume that safety requirements were behind the time limit and the 'no parking' rules and one can't argue, particularly as of late cars have been 'racing' during the last lap for position.

Until the 'six minute rule' was invoked it was one of the Le Mans traditions for teams to patch up their car(s) and send it/them around to hover near to the finish line at the end of the race, and then stumble across the line. In many cases cars had put in a lot of laps and deserved the applause of the crowd. I don't know the reason behind the relaxation of the rule for the two Belmondo cars this year, but well done to the officials. 300 and 294 laps per car deserved classification.

Pilgrimage · 30 Jun 2005, 22:23 (Ref:1344290)

also...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1
If anyone desperately wants one of these i picked up some.
Can't believe some people would think to sell these!!

bernard b · 1 Jul 2005, 11:18 (Ref:1344626)

furthermore if empty ...

iucrmh · 1 Jul 2005, 12:25 (Ref:1344664)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pilgrimage

also...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1
If anyone desperately wants one of these i picked up some.
Can't believe some people would think to sell these!!

jna and I thought about bringing one or two home and joked about selling them, but can't believe that someone actually bothered.

Fab · 4 Jul 2005, 05:59 (Ref:1346550)

A member of the french forum MotorLegend posted a link to an interresting video : the 550' spin while the WR was stuck on the Dunlop's kerb, with the marshalls around...

How risky is the marshalls' work...

BSchneiderFan · 4 Jul 2005, 10:08 (Ref:1346681)

Scary stuff! Was the Ferrari just going way too fast or did it have a technical problem?

Fab · 4 Jul 2005, 13:32 (Ref:1346862)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Scary stuff! Was the Ferrari just going way too fast or did it have a technical problem?

Dunno... it was said on the spot that the pilot was too fast and not observing the yellow flags... but no confirmation from any source...

SALEEN S7R · 4 Jul 2005, 14:35 (Ref:1346912)

Were any of the Marshals injured in this incident? Hopefully not.

Fab · 4 Jul 2005, 18:11 (Ref:1347067)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

Were any of the Marshals injured in this incident? Hopefully not.

I don't think so... but that was a close shave indeed...

**PascaLM** · 4 Jul 2005, 18:11 (Ref:1347068)

I was in the Dunlop Grandstand when the accident occured. Several yellow flags were waved but i think there weren't enough yellow flags before the chicane, in the curve. The Ferrari's pilot had not been warned early enough. the four or five marshalls had just 2 or 3 seconds to avoid it.

**Bentley03** · 19 Jul 2005, 10:32 (Ref:1358464)

I have a question I meant to ask on my return from Le Mans but completely forgot about.

We were standing opposite the pit exit on Saturday night and watched in astonishment as the Miracle car reversed back down the track and back into the pitlane having lost a wheel on it's way out. To the best of my knowledge Miracle received no penalty for this dangerous misdemeanour. Why not, and what should the penalty have been?

My gut reaction at the time was that the team would be disqualified. But I subsequently decided that because the car continued to face in the same direction as the track and did not turn round and return to the pits, they got away with it.

Can anyone retrospectively apply the correct ruling to this incident for me?

jna · 19 Jul 2005, 11:12 (Ref:1358482)

The results list that I have just looked at says that the car was 'excluded' after 115 laps, so I guess the penalty in full was applied.

**Bentley03** · 19 Jul 2005, 11:59 (Ref:1358521)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jna

The results list that I have just looked at says that the car was 'excluded' after 115 laps, so I guess the penalty in full was applied.

Thank you!

I can't remember hearing the disqualification announced on RLM and I don't remember reading any mention of it in the monday edition of Sports Ouest, so I assumed (very wrongly it seems) that the car had simply retired. But have now checked DSC and there it is. Must remember to concentrate harder when reading post race reports in future......

LC2guy · 19 Jul 2005, 12:12 (Ref:1358533)

I too was opposite the pits when this happened. At first i thought it was clever thinking to free wheel backwards down towards pit lane after his wheel came off, but then the pack arrived , thankfully behind the pace car, but still at considerable speed, as some appeared to not know if the race had gone green again. He actually got a huge cheer when he was pulled back down pit lane. Probably not something to be repeated !!!!!

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