[LM24 Race] Le Mans 2011 - Race Week Thread - Scrutineering/Qualifying/Race

[arakis]

why does BMW usa get +0.8 and bmw europe 1.2, if by their own admition it is the exacly the same car. this is proof of obvius ACO favoritism of the BMW,

I get why porsche got theirs, but can someone plz explain to me why corvette got a restrictor break, in the only two races before le mans that they races they came in 2nd. bmw came in first.
gave BMW a 30bhp addvantige over other teams, they could have just given them the trophy and save us all the farse.

[arakis]

this is a great testament to Ferrari/Michelotto engeneering and construction expertise.

out of 9 manufacturers only their cars have apsolutly no adjustments what so ever, making them the benchmark

[nemanjas]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

I think Hindy doesnt realize that Rebellion was almost 2 seconds quicker in practice today.

That is interesting note. It looks like that Rebellion is working hard to make sure thay get on top of Pescarolo in the long run?

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

That is the base size! You have to add the adjustment (+0.3 mm) in order to determine the current size.

Ha! I wasn't reading it that way . I thought that the adjustment had brought them to the current base. i get it now! I should take my meds every day!

[Victor_RO]

Good news from Strakka:

Nick's been given the all clear to race and the Strakka Racing team has been working all night to rebuild the HPD ARX-01d.

via Twitter

[Aysedasi]

That's seriously good news......

[FordCosworthPanoz]

I just hope the Ferrari, Porsche, and Corvette teams beat the living daylights out of the Bavarian Dentist Favourite Taxi Cab come race time.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

I just hope the Ferrari, Porsche, and Corvette teams beat the living daylights out of the Bavarian Dentist Favourite Taxi Cab come race time.

Man, I am soooo with you on that thought!!!

[fieldodreams79]

Good news for Nick and hope that Strakka can't get her all back together in time.

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Man, I am soooo with you on that thought!!!

Dont worry, BMW will probably go cry off to German Sleeping Pill Masters next year (might even see more than 2 overtakes) whether or not they win or (most likely) loose. So you wont have to worry about the taxi cab for long.

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Man, I am soooo with you on that thought!!!

I have it on good authority that this will be BMW's year ..... hope not !!!

Imagine a sportscar getting trounced , at the greatest sportscar race in the world , by a touring car come hairdressers cruiser ..... God forbid !!!

[EverOne]

Very good news from Strakka

[FastJoel31]

Man, you guys really hate BMWs?

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by FastJoel31

Man, you guys really hate BMWs?

No just the fact that the racing version of a taxi cab that dentists drive and I can easily afford can be faster than the racing versions of supercars that I could only dream to afford.

[haribo]

Where do you guys live to have M3 taxis?

[NightStalk3r]

M3's are common as muck.

[ubrben]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

No just the fact that the racing version of a taxi cab that dentists drive and I can easily afford can be faster than the racing versions of supercars that I could only dream to afford.

It's quite sweet how naive you lot are about modern GT racing...

If you're a Porsche fan you should be much more upset about the overall width waiver the 458 has. Less load transfer = softer tyres = grip = fun = unhappy Porsche...

Ben

[NightStalk3r]

Because we know the 458 is going to fall to bits

[arakis]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

No just the fact that the racing version of a taxi cab that dentists drive and I can easily afford can be faster than the racing versions of supercars that I could only dream to afford.

you forgot to add that its basicly a prototype that has nothing to do with the aco regulations, but is specialy homologated under many waivers so that htey could run.
here is how their development went.
lets build the fastest race car we can build, not paying any attention to the rule book.
once we build it go to the ACO/IMSA tell them look we have lots and lots of cash, you want it let us race.
then once they are alowed to race, and they realise how slow they are, they go back to the ACO and say look you want more cash give as abnormal restrictor sizes so we can dominate. I mean we did pay a lot, its only fair to doiminate.

how abnormal the restrictor. normal restrictor for the 4l engine is 28.6 , 3.8l 28.8 ......
the restrictor BMW uses is 29.8 thats a biger restrictor then the smallest engine in the class uses.

and the one's that suffer are Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette. because people look at the results and say oh look those sportscars are nohing special if a plain bmw can beat them.

[arakis]

Originally Posted by ubrben

It's quite sweet how naive you lot are about modern GT racing...

If you're a Porsche fan you should be much more upset about the overall width waiver the 458 has. Less load transfer = softer tyres = grip = fun = unhappy Porsche...

Ben

waiver by how manuy mm?

[arakis]

Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

Because we know the 458 is going to fall to bits

I bet you that a porsche will suffer a mechanical failiure befora a ferrari does

[FastJoel31]

Originally Posted by arakis

you forgot to add that its basicly a prototype that has nothing to do with the aco regulations, but is specialy homologated under many waivers so that htey could run.
here is how their development went.
lets build the fastest race car we can build, not paying any attention to the rule book.
once we build it go to the ACO/IMSA tell them look we have lots and lots of cash, you want it let us race.
then once they are alowed to race, and they realise how slow they are, they go back to the ACO and say look you want more cash give as abnormal restrictor sizes so we can dominate. I mean we did pay a lot, its only fair to doiminate.

how abnormal the restrictor. normal restrictor for the 4l engine is 28.6 , 3.8l 28.8 ......
the restrictor BMW uses is 29.8 thats a biger restrictor then the smallest engine in the class uses.

and the one's that suffer are Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette. because people look at the results and say oh look those sportscars are nohing special if a plain bmw can beat them.

And how is this BMW's fault? Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette - do none of these companies have money to do the same thing? I think the real blame here lies with the ACO, not BMW.

[arakis]

Originally Posted by FastJoel31

And how is this BMW's fault? Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette - do none of these companies have money to do the same thing? I think the real blame here lies with the ACO, not BMW.

no they dont. and yes it does.
the anoying thing is, this is a second time BMW M3 were homologate beyond rules, the first time was bac at the turn of the century, when a bmw m3 had a m5 engine

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Id laugh if after all this BMW vs Corvette vs Ferrari vs Porsche talk we see the Jota Vantage win on Sunday.

[broadrun96]

Even on the south side of Atlanta I wouldn't consider the new M3 to be common as muck, actually seen more ZR-1s(4), 911s (14, including 3 GT3s), Aston Martin (2 Vantage, 2 DB9s), Ford GTs (2 new and actually 1 real GT40) and well prob 4-5 Z06 or base Vettes on a daily basis to only 1 hardtop and one hardtop convertible M3. On the non-LM appearing cars, 2 SLS in my neighborhood alone (is a beautiful car on the road) Boxsters a plenty but surprisingly few Cayman, and about 100s of 3 series sadly almost all 4 doors and FEW 330s/335s.

Although I will admit I'd rather see BMW rebuild a real Z8 or Z4 with the new M3 engine in it to really have a go at GT racing. It just would look more in line with the rest of the field than the extremely tweaked 3 series. Would be like GM showing up with the CTS-V, oh wait they did that in the SCCA.