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18 Oct 2003, 22:15 (Ref:755400)
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Will Dyson keep the MG's?
After all the problem's this year(and today) will Rob Dyson keep the MG's as long as there grandfathered(through 2005) or sell them this winter and try a different LMP or a different serie's(Rolex)?
They seem like a money pit to me. Dyson would have beter result's if he dusted off the old R&S SR1's from last year... |
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18 Oct 2003, 22:18 (Ref:755401)
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Maybe they will try running the "MG" 3.4 liter V8, as is Intersport. I thought that was the way to go in LM675 from day one.
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18 Oct 2003, 22:19 (Ref:755404)
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That would be a step up in reliabilty over the 2L MG but would it be competitive in LMP1 next year?
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18 Oct 2003, 22:29 (Ref:755408)
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with weaver at the wheel an anorexic donkey would be competitive.
It looks like the 3.4L Intersport car was running about the same times as the 2.0L car was last time it was at Atlanta... |
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18 Oct 2003, 22:30 (Ref:755409)
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I had been wondering the same thing, but I think he will stick it out with the MG one more year. In 2004 he'll have the best chance to win Sebring overall and will be able to race at their home track (Lime Rock). Just maybe he will go to Le Mans, but that is a promise he has been making for many years.
If the Rolex series grows to 20 or so DPs by the end of 2004, I do think that he is likely going to switch to the Rolex series and run a DP in 2005. I am sure he is not happy having to sit out Daytona. |
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19 Oct 2003, 00:20 (Ref:755442)
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I'm sure that if he was missing Daytona then he'd race there as a one off - there doesn't seem to be a shortage of cars looking for drivers.
I guess those who have been implying that Rob is about to throw in the towel would have been surprised by his statement on the ALMS Radio Web just now! |
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19 Oct 2003, 00:39 (Ref:755443)
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What did he say on the radio web? I quit listening to it when Speed Channel's coverage started up again.
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19 Oct 2003, 02:14 (Ref:755470)
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Paraphrasing - he said they'll be back in 2004 and trying harder!
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19 Oct 2003, 16:16 (Ref:756105)
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Rob wont be giving up any time soon. That is for sure. As for the DPs did you notice that a lot of his team members wear Crawford Composites clothing? Andy Wallace has already been testing the Crawford DP and we all know Chris has been driving in GAC. I dont think he will pick a one or the other deal, but I bet you will see a Dyson run or supported Crawford in the future. Dyson got Crawford his first and only win in SR1...
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19 Oct 2003, 19:28 (Ref:756248)
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The Wallace / Crawford link may have something to do with the fact that Andy lives with Max's daughter!
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20 Oct 2003, 11:49 (Ref:756864)
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Re: Will Dyson keep the MG's?
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I'm not so sure about that- OK, they've had far too many DNF's, but they've frequently been able to match the Audis for pace and beaten them outright once- I'm not sure they'd have managed that with their old R&S- they'd have had more consistent results sure, but I have a hard time imagining them having won a race.... |
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20 Oct 2003, 13:35 (Ref:756982)
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They did run their old R&S before they got the MG last year(yes the MKIII A). And not really that competitively neither...
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20 Oct 2003, 15:19 (Ref:757125)
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Dyson is in this for the challenge and he has the money to support it. While I am sure there is a limit to what he is willing to spend on this challenge, I don't think he would ever consider going back to the R&S. The MG's give him his best shot at overall wins in the ALMS and his illusive overall Sebring win. Most important, he has full control over the MG development, which is why he did not choose an Audi.
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20 Oct 2003, 21:20 (Ref:757489)
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Dyson wants his Sebring win, so I beleive he will show up with something until he wins, whether he races a DP or not. The DP couldn't hurt him at all. If I were him, I would have myself a nice R&S DP, and you know what would be my engine choice, and prep the MG for Petit and Sebring. Just my thoughts, but I have no doubts that Rob is looking real close at the DPs.
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20 Oct 2003, 21:26 (Ref:757496)
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They would have to go to the American Spirit Racing garages to "Dust Off" the R&S MkIIIC," because Dyson sold that car to them so they could race it this year....
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21 Oct 2003, 15:22 (Ref:758402)
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At the post-PLM press conference, Rob said, "My plans for 2004 include being a big pain in the ass to guys like Frank, Marco, JJ, and Johnny [all of whom were standing in the back of the room, grinning], and spending more time with them looking at the ass end of my cars than we'll spend looking at the ass end of theirs." On the issue of chassis/motor options, he was fairly cagey about any plans to look at the N/A Judd option that Intersport ran, but did say that Dyson has always been successful because they considered all options in their quest to win races. Not a peep was heard regarding plans for any other series, but Road Atlanta wouldn't have been an appropriate forum for an announcement like that.
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21 Oct 2003, 16:04 (Ref:758451)
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Dyson will keep the MGs....the real question is the powerplant...and whether he might look at yet another, yet unexplored option for power for that chassis....
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21 Oct 2003, 16:17 (Ref:758464)
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So, Weaver wasn't the only person in the Dyson camp that was checkin' out the Intersport Lola/Judd, eh?
Hmmmmmm... and all the aero goodies on the Dyson cars combined with the reliability of the Judd V8, it's just too tempting to walk away. 
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23 Oct 2003, 17:48 (Ref:761020)
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On Mulsanne Mike's site in the news section he posted a response that he got from Dyson on this issue....
I would engourage you to read it for yourself, but in a nutshell, they will run the MG-Lola next year, will not switch to the Judd power, and will spend the winter months sorting out issues witht the car.... |
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23 Oct 2003, 18:29 (Ref:761071)
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I'm wondeing if the 3.4 liter Judd might fit in Downings WM....
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23 Oct 2003, 19:50 (Ref:761165)
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That car needs something....like intensive care, or adrenaline....they were turning laps slower than the GT cars at various points last Saturday....
But at least they finished.....especially on thier short-ended budget That's more than many can say in the 675 class..... |
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23 Oct 2003, 20:01 (Ref:761181)
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23 Oct 2003, 20:04 (Ref:761185)
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I don't think the 3.4 Judd is as good as the AER turbo (power or torque). The only thing it has is reliability. But the new AER motor debuted at PLM should be a step in the right direction there. Also, the motor itself has been pretty good on the MG. It's the electrical ancillaries that have let it down. |
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23 Oct 2003, 20:15 (Ref:761199)
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We had a whole thread (Intersport with Judd Power) on that Judd vs AER for horses and torque....Jon Field said in Atlanta that the Judd is "more torquey" than the AER....
and the real key is to gear the car to take advantage of whatever assets a particular engine has....to transfer the horses and torque to the wheels.... Look at that thread, particularly the numbers on each engine as we have been able to get them from teams or manufacturers, but more important, look at the "reverse engineering" and the graphs that Dauntless put in that thread....it is quite insightful... For the record, the Judd 3.4 with 2003 restrictors cranks about 500 hp. and the AER with 2003 restrictors somewhere between 450 and 475...but we don't know exactly....the AER numbers are general numbers listed by teams that run it....the Judd numbers are from their website.... |
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23 Oct 2003, 20:15 (Ref:761200)
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Yes, but they seem to have a lot of turbo problems, which cause electronic failure.
Did Intersport detune the Judd any for the race like the RfH team does with the V10? |
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