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Old 19 Feb 2006, 13:05 (Ref:1526218)   #1
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Snappy Tom and his Jagaur,Bathurst 1985 Qualifying lap

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Old 19 Feb 2006, 22:13 (Ref:1526532)   #2
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Wow. I wish we could still enjoy that kind of racing these days.

I wasn't lucky enough to be old enough to see it, but I have new respect for the bloke now
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Old 20 Feb 2006, 01:30 (Ref:1526635)   #3
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Now that Jag is what you call a Touring Car !
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Old 20 Feb 2006, 01:33 (Ref:1526636)   #4
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I too miss the traditional "Touring Cars".

*Sighs* Ho hum.

Surely there's a market for it in Australia on a grand-scale? Why can't the V8's head more down that route and not this blueprint artificial Nascar direction?

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Old 20 Feb 2006, 01:52 (Ref:1526640)   #5
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Gosh, that brings back some memories, you're not alone Stevo...
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Old 20 Feb 2006, 02:35 (Ref:1526647)   #6
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Those Jags sounded great didnt they
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Old 20 Feb 2006, 02:56 (Ref:1526654)   #7
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Yeah I miss the variety too, a time when touring cars didn't quite look like half baked Sports Sedans (hey don't get me wrong, I love Sports Sedans, but the full blown Chev motor in a Saab/20B rotary in a Datsun variety....)

Especially the 3 different classes, 65 car grids at Bathursts, genuine privateers etc....

If only the rules for homologation were more tightly controlled....

I loved the '85 Bathurst, one of my favourites...
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Old 20 Feb 2006, 07:59 (Ref:1526725)   #8
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Nice video, could you imagine though what would have happened between murph and Ambrose last year happening back then without all of the concrete retaining walls. It is quite interesting to see how much the place has changed since then though, withthe pits back then looking like they where just a tin roof.
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Old 20 Feb 2006, 08:57 (Ref:1526759)   #9
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They were just a tin roof, with some steel tubing holding it up!
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Old 20 Feb 2006, 09:03 (Ref:1526766)   #10
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Ahh yes, those great days when Hardies Heroes was indeed for heroes... while the current spectacle is tremendous, and fast and noisy, a glimpse of the lead Jag nodding its Briddish Racing Green nose under brakes at the end of Mountain Straight, or performing its exquisite ballet at McPhillamy Park revisits great memories of another age of racing.

Datto, in those days, it was quite common for racers to enter the Cutting with two cars overlapping, but generally common-sense prevailed...

It's too easy in this day and age to forget that TW was a top-line steerer in his own right. And didn't they look fantastic?
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And I loved it when Moff called TW an "Englishman"

Its a super lap... bloody hell those Jag's must have been heavy.. they porpoised all over the place...imagine how quick it could go with some of the latest suspension technology aboard
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They were just a tin roof, with some steel tubing holding it up!
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Ahh yes, those great days when Hardies Heroes was indeed for heroes... while the current spectacle is tremendous, and fast and noisy, a glimpse of the lead Jag nodding its Briddish Racing Green nose under brakes at the end of Mountain Straight, or performing its exquisite ballet at McPhillamy Park revisits great memories of another age of racing.
Yep, two wheels through there was pretty amazing.

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Just wondering what the max revs were on the v12. Sounded sweet.
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Old 20 Feb 2006, 09:53 (Ref:1526812)   #14
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And I loved it when Moff called TW an "Englishman"

Its a super lap... bloody hell those Jag's must have been heavy.. they porpoised all over the place...imagine how quick it could go with some of the latest suspension technology aboard
You could see how much the back end of the cars where moving around in the clip, TW looked like he was almost going lock to lock at the end of con rod.
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Just wondering what the max revs were on the v12. Sounded sweet.
From memory (looking at the Goss Jag) they where in the 6500rpm region, but I may be wrong...
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The Jag must have had plenty of torque, it was in 2nd gear all the way down the hill... when some Commodores (usually Gricey's) found first gear regularly....
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Ahh yes, those great days when Hardies Heroes was indeed for heroes...
But dont forget, they used to get 2 goes at it..... not the single shot they get now
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The Jag must have had plenty of torque, it was in 2nd gear all the way down the hill... when some Commodores (usually Gricey's) found first gear regularly....
Did they run a 5 speed or 6 speed box in the Jags?
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How good was that! Great car! Great driver! Great noise! Great Conrod Straight!

I haven't watched the video for a number of years and that has whetted my apetite to watch the whole race again!

What was with Moffat's comment "even in Atlanta"????? Another Cape Canaveral reference or something?
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5 speed box in the jag 1985.

When did 2 Hardie Heroes runs finish? 198?
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Did they run a 5 speed or 6 speed box in the Jags?
5 speed dogleg Getrag, with first gear below and to the left...
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From memory (looking at the Goss Jag) they where in the 6500rpm region, but I may be wrong...


Just found my Bathurst 85 yearbook, and they have the Jags revving to 7200rpm (winning Goss jag).
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And I loved it when Moff called TW an "Englishman"

Its a super lap... bloody hell those Jag's must have been heavy.. they porpoised all over the place...imagine how quick it could go with some of the latest suspension technology aboard

Racing weight was 1400Kg.
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5 speed dogleg Getrag, with first gear below and to the left...

Thanks, I thought that it was that style, but wasn't sure.
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5 speed box in the jag 1985.

When did 2 Hardie Heroes runs finish? 198?
1985 was the last time you got two goes at it.

One wonders if on-going homologation and development (TWR were basically finshed with it after the 1984 ETCC, homologation ran out at the end of 1986, apart from a special dispensation to run them at Wellington in early '87) had continued with the XJS, how it would have fared against the Turbo onslaught of the late-80s, particularly the Sierra's.
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