Where's Mad Max? - Page 2

Russfeld · 7 Jan 2003, 08:13 (Ref:466043)

Brack crashing himself out at Laguna didnt help either. Championships are based on entire seasons, not single races

nitehusky · 7 Jan 2003, 16:16 (Ref:466404)

According to this article his deal is dead.

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=07878687

macdaddy · 7 Jan 2003, 17:51 (Ref:466482)

That's no good! Wonder what's going on there at Rocketsports? Perhaps Papis finally got his NASCAR test?

BootsOntheSide · 7 Jan 2003, 18:05 (Ref:466498)

Possibly, so I guess Tags is back in as the favourite. Paul Gentilozzi really is playing games now, his words have previously all-but confirmed Papis, a month after he all-but confirmed Tagliani.

muggle not · 8 Jan 2003, 00:03 (Ref:466869)

Gentilozzi aslo ran into some problems with Trans Am as the scheduled 2003 race at Virginia Intl Raceway has been cancelled as I understand they could not agree on the Sanctioning fees.

Liz · 8 Jan 2003, 02:37 (Ref:466974)

Max apparently held out for a bonanza in the cash department, with his "they need me more than I need them" attitude -- now he has found out that the answer to that is "OH YEAH?" Better to be unemployed at $1.5 mil than employed at $1 mil I guess. Let him go to Trans Am and fight with Boris.

¡As-de-mim! · 8 Jan 2003, 03:16 (Ref:466993)

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Originally posted by muggle not
Gentilozzi aslo ran into some problems with Trans Am as the scheduled 2003 race at Virginia Intl Raceway has been cancelled as I understand they could not agree on the Sanctioning fees.

He is reported to be talking with CART about running with the CCWS at Cleveland and Mexico City.

Russfeld · 8 Jan 2003, 03:59 (Ref:467005)

I still dont undrestand why after all these years people stopped calling the series CART (which is a sanctioning body) and finally are calling it by its series name. Why the change?

Liz · 8 Jan 2003, 12:02 (Ref:467172)

Better PR?

Russfeld · 8 Jan 2003, 15:03 (Ref:467376)

for who though? Racing fans know who it is, and the casuals are going to be confused by anything other than "indycar'

BootsOntheSide · 8 Jan 2003, 16:06 (Ref:467446)

"Indycar" now refers to another racing championship, of which I know little. Apparently some guy called Tony is involved.

Russfeld · 8 Jan 2003, 16:22 (Ref:467454)

Advantage IRL in that category

rush1 · 8 Jan 2003, 17:06 (Ref:467491)

Simply a CART flame. Get over it.

Liz · 8 Jan 2003, 17:40 (Ref:467538)

The casuals are confused by anything more complicated than lunch. Proper PR will instruct them, much as it has instructed them to buy any other product.

Russfeld · 8 Jan 2003, 17:52 (Ref:467566)

In that case why bother. You wont out PR the Indy500, nevermind NASCAR

Tiresmoke · 8 Jan 2003, 19:10 (Ref:467642)

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Originally posted by Russfeld
In that case why bother. You wont out PR the Indy500, nevermind NASCAR

The Indy 500 is legendary, historic, whatever you want to call it. The race attracts old fans and new fans because it is what it is, the spectacle of motorsport. Good PR props up the rest of the IRL's schedule, especially exploiting Indy.

Now if we assume that the CWS has no marquee event like Indy500, you subsitute Long Beach, then what CART used to be has all but ceased to exist. Good PR will make the CWS what it is, and what it CAN be. So Liz is right, the casual fan is confused, but good PR awareness building will "instruct" them.

Can you out PR the Indy 500 in may? Maybe not in news coverage, but its a fine time to get your point across. CART no longer races "Indy cars", but CWS races "champ cars". The casual fan doesn't know what a "champ car" is right? That's good, that's perfect, because its not an "indy car" and the fans should know that. It might not be a matter of out-PRing anybody, its the point of determining the differences in Indy cars, Champ cars, and NASCARs (Cup cars).

muggle not · 8 Jan 2003, 20:37 (Ref:467739)

2 cents from a casual fan

CART
IRL
Nascar

Liz · 8 Jan 2003, 23:45 (Ref:468026)

Le Mans is the premier sports car event in the entire world (except for the United States) -- yet the "casual fan" isn't especially confused by being offered a multitude of sports car races and racing series to follow that aren't centred around Le Mans, even considering the same drivers turn up in a good many of the series driving all kinds of different cars with all kinds of different partners. The people who want to become interested in racing will familiarize themselves and the rest will just enjoy the show.

Considering how many people manage to find their way through Temptation Island, The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, Joe Millionaire, Big Brother and Fear Factor -- I would say figuring out two open wheel racing series would not be difficult for the average biped.

Russfeld · 9 Jan 2003, 00:05 (Ref:468039)

Then explain the current situation where both series are far from healthy. What people do know about CART and the IRL, is that both series are at war and that OW racing overall is weakaned.

The Snout · 9 Jan 2003, 00:35 (Ref:468069)

What people do know about CART and the IRL, is that both series are at war and that OW racing overall is weakaned.

Totally agree. But I would say from Car'ts side of the fence right now it needn't had been that way. Cart stuck the hand out to shake with the IRL and has tried to bring both series together, and they haven't been met halfway. Ok, fine, that's in the past, what Cart needs to do now is continue building it's own thing and promote what it has and make it better. What other action is there ? Really ?

The IRL doesn't want to make the whole thing into one so either Cart closes down or continues on. Maybe Cart wasn't blameless in there being 2 OW series to begin with 7 years ago, but it's not their fault that their continues to be now. They tried.

JohnSSC · 9 Jan 2003, 03:11 (Ref:468128)

I guess rather than rehash the whole CART did this and IRL (TG) did that - we should really discuss how open wheel will survive, period. In fact, I will post that!