Bargwanna/Tullock NZV8 TLX For Sale - Page 4

Swedish Brick · 13 May 2013, 05:44 (Ref:3246544)

You have to be kidding stfan. Icarus is a long standing member of the "everything pro st is right everthing anti is wrong" club

Swedish Brick · 13 May 2013, 05:45 (Ref:3246545)

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokin'joe

so no worse than the Quaife unit that has had many years of development.

Much better it seems. Some excessive wear rather than numerous failures

NZSTfan · 13 May 2013, 06:13 (Ref:3246551)

Yes its an interesting debate that one. Quaife vs TT. I guess the difference (and only guessing here) is the ability to handle the torque delivered by an ST. If the TT can take it, then I see no reason why the kiwi-made TT shouldn't be used more. After all, irrespective of which cars you prefer, anything made in NZ is good for all.

And Swede, i'm not kidding at all

you even accused me a while back of 'posting in a trolling manner' when all I was doing was outlining the differences in speed/performance between an ST and TLX. Trolling, apart from being a fishing technique, in my view, is when a poster continues to try and hack down a particular person by posting non-factual and offensive items.

This may help you to understand the true meaning of a 'troll'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Jerico · 13 May 2013, 06:53 (Ref:3246563)

As everyone knows torque is the biggest killer of a gearbox, I don't think the TT box has had quite the same test as the Quaife gearbox has had todate. Put twenty TT boxes in to a ST's field and run them in longer races, I'm sure one or two would fall over!

promax · 13 May 2013, 06:57 (Ref:3246566)

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Originally Posted by NZSTfan

So from this we can assume that a turn-key TLX is around the 170k mark. Why is it then that the Tulloch VEII is selling for 185K? It is a second hand race car afterall.

cause it's wears #1

170k a confirmed price or a ten-tenths guess?

Swedish Brick · 13 May 2013, 07:09 (Ref:3246569)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerico

As everyone knows torque is the biggest killer of a gearbox, I don't think the TT box has had quite the same test as the Quaife gearbox has had todate. Put twenty TT boxes in to a ST's field and run them in longer races, I'm sure one or two would fall over!

What a silly post.
Both boxes are being run for what they were designed for. That's the test. Not running on things they weren't designed for.

Stfan, your post is bang on. As an example.

Jerico · 13 May 2013, 07:24 (Ref:3246571)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

What a silly post.
Both boxes are being run for what they were designed for. That's the test. Not running on things they weren't designed for.

Stfan, your post is bang on. As an example.

So brick when was the Quaife built to run behind an Ls7? Was the TT built for the TLX only? I was just stating a fact. The reply was silly!

Swedish Brick · 13 May 2013, 07:27 (Ref:3246574)

So you're saying the ST guys choose the wrong box?

Southern Man · 13 May 2013, 07:58 (Ref:3246589)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

So you're saying the ST guys choose the wrong box?

The suggestion that I hear from the UK are that the wrong model of the right gearbox may have been selected from a very large catalogue of transmissions and/or gear kits manufactured by Quaife

Swedish Brick · 13 May 2013, 08:00 (Ref:3246590)

That sounds plausabile. It's not as if Quaife are know as muppets

Jerico · 13 May 2013, 08:07 (Ref:3246593)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

So you're saying the ST guys choose the wrong box?

The TT could turn out to be a good gear box, and that is great. That doesn't change the fact three TLX cars were using the box. In the first three rounds they had at least two failures. The TLX cars do not have the Torque that the LS7 produces. All I'm saying is you can't compare the two boxes when they are running with different engines. That is just stupid.

Who is the troll? Icarus just asked a question and that is trolling? I wanted to know the answer myself.

Anyway things to do, night all.

Swedish Brick · 13 May 2013, 08:13 (Ref:3246594)

You can compare the suitability for their intended purposes, which is what was happening. Until you diced to suggest running them on the other set ups.
Looks like you just got caught out.

3 failures, no, you know that's not the full truth.

Jerico · 13 May 2013, 08:22 (Ref:3246596)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

You can compare the suitability for their intended purposes, which is what was happening. Until you diced to suggest running them on the other set ups.
Looks like you just got caught out.

3 failures, no, you know that's not the full truth.

My spelling maybe crap but I can read. I said at least two! If that is not true you tell me so with some facts ! Come on hot shot. Stop splitting hairs. I don't have time for this Rev.

Swedish Brick · 13 May 2013, 08:28 (Ref:3246597)

No, how about you name one of the failures.
By the way I, and not many do, consider a bolt in the linkage a failure. Not to the extent of the ST disasters.
How many TLX gears boxes have destroyed themselves?

Jerico · 13 May 2013, 08:41 (Ref:3246600)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

No, how about you name one of the failures.
By the way I, and not many do, consider a bolt in the linkage a failure. Not to the extent of the ST disasters.
How many TLX gears boxes have destroyed themselves?

Short said on TV we blew a box. TLX were only running three. ST 18- 20 with more torque and longer races. Stop it now.

Swedish Brick · 13 May 2013, 09:00 (Ref:3246604)

Jerico, what can I say, your posts say it all

Fact is you tried to portray events worse than they were.
And got caught out.

I think we're about done here

Jerico · 13 May 2013, 09:09 (Ref:3246607)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

Jerico, what can I say, your posts say it all

Fact is you tried to portray events worse than they were.
And got caught out.

I think we're about done here

Caught out? I'm missing something sorry. It is clear you have no facts to say different. I know they lost two boxes. Yes we are done!

Swedish Brick · 13 May 2013, 09:16 (Ref:3246612)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

Jerico, what can I say, your posts say it all

Fact is you tried to portray events worse than they were.
And got caught out.

I think we're about done here

Let us not forget the conversation was about how good each box is for it's intended purpose... You are trying to manoeuvre away from the disaster of ST not using the right parts.
Something which cost the teams how much? I think that is the real issue.

And the TLX's, in one night your "facts" have gone from 3 boxes failed, to 2....

Goat Boy · 13 May 2013, 09:23 (Ref:3246615)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerico

The TT could turn out to be a good gear box, and that is great. That doesn't change the fact three TLX cars were using the box. In the first three rounds they had at least two failures. The TLX cars do not have the Torque that the LS7 produces. All I'm saying is you can't compare the two boxes when they are running with different engines. That is just stupid.

Who is the troll? Icarus just asked a question and that is trolling? I wanted to know the answer myself.

Anyway things to do, night all.

Read the above post Revhead, oops I mean Brick. Look at numbers carefully.

Swedish Brick · 13 May 2013, 09:29 (Ref:3246619)

Oops, I made a mistake. Sorry about that.

Still doesn't really change anything does it.

Goat Boy · 13 May 2013, 09:39 (Ref:3246627)

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Originally Posted by Swedish Brick

Oops, I made a mistake. Sorry about that.

Still doesn't really change anything does it.

I don't know, does it? But you are making good progress, first time I've ever see you admit you made a mistake

I think the consensus is the TT box is a good thing, but has not done many miles as yet. But let's hope it works out for them.

promax · 21 May 2013, 23:24 (Ref:3251417)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NZSTfan

So from this we can assume that a turn-key TLX is around the 170k mark. Why is it then that the Tulloch VEII is selling for 185K? It is a second hand race car afterall.

the quote on the ST page for a new ST is NZD $260k plus.. so 185K for a used TLX doesn't look too bad. i guess

anyone know if the IMS ST has been sold.. or what they want for it.. if it's still for sale?

Goat Boy · 22 May 2013, 00:11 (Ref:3251435)

Quote:

Originally Posted by promax

the quote on the ST page for a new ST is NZD $260k plus.. so 185K for a used TLX doesn't look too bad. i guess

anyone know if the IMS ST has been sold.. or what they want for it.. if it's still for sale?

Yeah I saw that $260k thing too - although that was from a competitor's page rather than the official page, so I guess that is what they have spent?

Mark Petch · 22 May 2013, 01:03 (Ref:3251454)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Yeah I saw that $260k thing too - although that was from a competitor's page rather than the official page, so I guess that is what they have spent?

I am not aware of any official price change from V8ST, as I posted a couple of months ago AV8 are quoting a "turn Key" V8ST Holden Commodore VE2 for $230K plus tax. As there are only two cars left to sell, I doubt that they will raise the price.

What an existing team spent to build their own, or have somebody build it for them is irrelevant. The kit price for every thing including rivets nuts and bolts is $205,000 plus gst. so anything more than $25K to put the whole car together and paint the outside panels etc is frankly over the top.

Goat Boy · 22 May 2013, 01:25 (Ref:3251459)

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Originally Posted by Mark Petch

I am not aware of any official price change from V8ST, as I posted a couple of months ago AV8 are quoting a "turn Key" V8ST Holden Commodore VE2 for $230K plus tax. As there are only two cars left to sell, I doubt that they will raise the price.

What an existing team spent to build their own, or have somebody build it for them is irrelevant. The kit price for every thing including rivets nuts and bolts is $205,000 plus gst. so anything more than $25K to put the whole car together and paint the outside panels etc is frankly over the top.

Unless you are using real gold paint maybe...

Mind you, the same article said that it cost "bazillions" to build a V8SC so maybe we shouldn't take it tooooo seriously!

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