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28 Apr 2013, 14:35 (Ref:3240252) | #1 | ||
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Still, I wonder if there is some changes on the LMP2 side when it reaches 2016. I hope it's not an all-coupe class like LMP1. (And DPs) |
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Looking at current quotes if Jag come back it will be with a production-based car.
A new regs GT entry with the F-Type makes the most sense I think. A lot of prospective entries and manufacturers are probably quiet about programmes as the various regs haven't been fully decided in a lot of cases. |
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I do agree that LMP can only take a limited number pf factory teams, but GT racing can take a whole lot more and for all of those Le Mans must be the ultimate prize, GT racing has never been more popular and compared to the cost of F1 or LMP it is often a profitable side line and it also sells more cars to the public.
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28 Apr 2013, 19:44 (Ref:3240313) | #4 | |
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It's an interesting discussion that's been had before - would you like to see more P1 manufacturers despite knowing it will fall apart.
Or do you keep it ticking along with 2/3 teams. I'd say yes to the bigger numbers every time. Even if/when it falls apart you're still basically going to end up where you were anyway. Why not try and go for another '98/'99 style dreamland if you could. People who complain about the potential of there being too many manufacturer P1 cars make me smile. |
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Anyone who thinks a class of motorsport can survive in the long term with out privateers is clueless to the history of the sport and world economic situations impact on it.
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Who is saying chuck out the privateers? There were still plenty running in the late nineties. I don't think having more manufacturer P1s necessarily means less privateers. It just comes back to the regs.
The situation can't get much worse than it is now when there's arguably the best chance to get on the podium at Le Mans in the last few years. |
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And situations can always get worse, especially considering the skyrocketing costs associated with the new regulations for privateers. |
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A privateer team is in the race for the long run, they live for the racing. A manufacture team is in the race for a more or less limited time, as it's not what they live for. For me having 2-3 Manufactures all the time, and the rest privateers is optimal. As I rather see a race being strong for a long time, than it to have a few strong years, and then become weak. |
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I think the manufacture limit of 3 or 4 is really self regulating, the expense and risks mean that most manufacturers will not plough resources into something that already has to many other serious competitors there are many other forms of motor sport and therefore many different paths
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How do you encourage privateer teams to take on the factories who will always have much more resources?
I think this is the financial crisis showing it's impact on motorsport: the mega rich are now only super rich & can no longer spend enough on their hobby to match the ultra rich. But to be mega/super rich, you have to have the kind of ego which would stop you wanting to run in the 2nd division or be clever enough not to spend your fortune chasing a world power like VAG |
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To have a stable starting grid in P1, there must be stable rules, first of all.
Then, you must have a better media coverage, discussing the technical rules with all manufacturer involved in the field, making a trophy for private teams. Other things to do are a time constraint for all manufacturers involved in the championship (at least 3 seasons), giving more freedom to engineers about technical innovations they may experiment on the cars. It's time to stop to make the rules on the size of the manufacturers intend to take place in the series, but make the same rules for all. This make credible any championship. Another one thing, is to limit the works car in Le Mans at just 2 each manufacturer team. With at least 3 or 4 stable manufacturers involved in the championship, and a large private teams field, a strong media coverage would be easier to achieve. |
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Part of the problem for the privateers increased reliability of the factory teams as barring big accidents the chances of them finishing is very high and therefore they will normally lock out the podium.
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Much as i hate to say it Mr Eccelstone and his team in F1 have controlled the finances well and along with making themselves mega rich they have ensured that some of the money generated by the sport keeps the teams going, even if you fail to gain points in a season you still get a percentage of the cash generated, In sports car racing all teams must finance themselves not easy in today's economic climate.
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I think sportscars needs to concentrate on building an ever bigger and bigger loyal and high quality fanbase rather than channel surfing casual viewers as the nature of endurance racing does not suit those casual viewer as it requires longer attention span to understand it. We all know that once your hooked then you cant let go! |
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I do agree but if sports car racing had strong leadership and the ability to organise itself into a more saleable brand then TV coverage would follow and the sport would grow, The strong organisation and vision of the Blancpain series has seen it grow and attract high quality sponsors so it can work and attract both fans and cars the WEC effort has been a good try but has fallen short IMHO
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Or, as I thought, a joke. Sorry should have used a winky. If you have a problem PM me.
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It was more poking fun at all of us and our insular sportscar life. No malice intended whatsoever, not least because you're right it shouldn't pander to quick thrills. As no sport should, otherwise you can't build real knowledge and appreciation. I'm also a test match person not twenty-twenty for the same reason. Although there is nothing wrong with twenty-twenty it's just not for me. I do watch it, but I manage to not slag it off while doing so. If I did have a mild point to my silly comment it was that.
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Sportscar racing could and should be much more popular than it is. Like every section of the sport apart from F1, it will only have a niche following, bar a few mouth-watering battles at Le Mans. For example, very few follow county cricket, yet when the Ashes gets exciting and England look likely to win, all of a sudden the whole nation gets interested.
Test match cricket is actually the best comparison with endurance racing. Neither sport can ever have a year-round mainstream following - but neither has to be as niche as they pretend. The WEC is clearly getting something wrong. The F1 media were bemoaning the wasted talent of Kobayashi missing out on a seat in F1 this year, and then as soon as he signed for Ferrari, he basically became dead to them! It was as if no one was interested what happened to him once he missed out on F1.... Cringey youtube videos and annoying tweets don't help the cause either. Nor does woeful commentary on Eurosport. These sorts of things make the sport seriously uncool. Which is quite some achievement considering what the product is.... |
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Unfortunately the only times I recall Le Mans being on the mainstream TV news is when there is a big accident - eg McNish and Mercedes Airlines
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