[LM24] Le Mans 2023 Le Mans Entries

[kdr]

Curious. If BMW and Acura running teams are only in IMSA at the time, does this preclude them from submitting an application to enter LM 2023 to the ACO?

[S griffin]

I'm sure it won't matter too much for BMW, their main priority at the moment is returning to Le Mans. Acura seem more involved in IMSA than BMW are IMHO

[Michel Vaillant]

I think there will be a Kolles HyperCar. That was the plan, and the car is already built…

[tux]

Hope so Michel Vaillant but lets be honest, you wouldn't want to bet your house on it. Car was testing on track in April so you would hope if they can sort out the naming issues then they'd appear. Doubt they'd get a place at Le Mans though IF the ACO needs a space for a manufacturer entry.

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by kdr

Curious. If BMW and Acura running teams are only in IMSA at the time, does this preclude them from submitting an application to enter LM 2023 to the ACO?

I think they can try and enter. But it will be quickly batted back by the ACO.

I think the second IMSA Cadillac would be looked on favourably as they'll already have that WEC presence.

[S griffin]

I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to enter. The ACO maybe needs to come to some agreement

Would love to see Cadillac back at Le Mans, we’ve seen how well they’ve done in IMSA and they definitely would be a great addition at Le Mans if they entered in the Hyperclass

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to enter. The ACO maybe needs to come to some agreement

"it's not about money it's about sending a message"


if ACO lets acura teams enter LM, in future many other teams will be asking to enter LM without getting involved in WEC.

[broadrun96]

Well The Captain says hold you horses guys, sounds like Porsche is keen for all 4 and he is not.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...mans-unlikely/

But Porsche does make it sound like they could have 2 Penske and 2 customer cars for Daytona so......

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Well The Captain says hold you horses guys, sounds like Porsche is keen for all 4 and he is not.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...mans-unlikely/

But Porsche does make it sound like they could have 2 Penske and 2 customer cars for Daytona so......

Article is pretty clear up till the last paragraph when it instantly becomes another head scratcher! Right now, I'm just gonna go with 2 factory cars and anything on top of that (factory or privateer) is a real bonus!

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Article is pretty clear up till the last paragraph when it instantly becomes another head scratcher! Right now, I'm just gonna go with 2 factory cars and anything on top of that (factory or privateer) is a real bonus!

Hey, we will not tolerate that type of optimistic no doom and gloom attitude here sir.

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by canaglia

"it's not about money it's about sending a message"


if ACO lets acura teams enter LM, in future many other teams will be asking to enter LM without getting involved in WEC.

No Acuras @ LM in 2023 as officially stated already by WTR and MSR. Maybe in 2024 but it would need approval from Japan and perhaps more importantly, additional backing to run a WEC campaign as neither of the teams are full factory efforts like Penske - just heavily factory (HPD) supported.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

No Acuras @ LM in 2023 as officially stated already by WTR and MSR. Maybe in 2024 but it would need approval from Japan and perhaps more importantly, additional backing to run a WEC campaign as neither of the teams are full factory efforts like Penske - just heavily factory (HPD) supported.

Yes, hpd already confirmed that msr and wrt won't be at LM next year. Anyway, excluding the full work backed 3 years penske program, HPD supplies cars and technical support but it usually doesn't give any budget/financial support to the teams using arx cars.
I don't think will be required any approval from japan... it's more about msr and/or wtr being able to put together some extra budget to run at LM in 2024.

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by canaglia

Yes, hpd already confirmed that msr and wrt won't be at LM next year. Anyway, excluding the full work backed 3 years penske program, HPD supplies cars and technical support but it usually doesn't give any budget/financial support to the teams using arx cars.
I don't think will be required any approval from japan... it's more about msr and/or wtr being able to put together some extra budget to run at LM in 2024.

Here it disagrees with your last line of thought:

A Honda spokesperson told Sportscar365 that a run at Le Mans with the newly revealed Acura ARX-06 was “never in the cards” for next year and that every discussion has been focused on 2024 if Honda Motor Company agrees.

Any international sports car program would need to get the green-light from Japan, as was the case with HPD’s most recent effort in the FIA World Endurance Championship in 2012-13 with the HPD ARX-03c LMP1 car.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...da-acura-lmdh/

[canaglia]

ok, or to better say, let's wait how things will evolve in 2024 but In general, I think you're misinterpreting this sentence:

" Any international sports car program would need to get the green-light from Japan, as was the case with HPD’s most recent effort in the FIA World Endurance Championship in 2012-13 with the HPD ARX-03c LMP1 car."


to me you're just reading: "HPD teams go to LM if HPD decides they go to LM"

that's not that simple. I mean, of course japanese HQ honda is the one that decides which racing/sport programs green-light because each involved company like italian JAS (wtcc, nsx gt3) jap/spanish repsol HRC (motoGP) american HPD (indy and IMSA) japanese HRC (superGT, superformula) jap/UK mugen (? I actually don't know if mugen UK is still involved in something like btcc) receive the budget from japanese HQ honda. So, speaking about IMSA and arx program, is clear that is HQ honda the one that decided to greenlight the acura lmdh program.
But arx teams, as far I remember never got any aut aut from HPD in the past... the only absolute thing is that it's HPD to pick teams and not the reverse, but racing programs it's up to the teams financial possibilities... back in 2011-2013 period, highcroft racing was HPD ALMS team, they received the new arx-01e but they had to retire just after sebring because they had no budget and HPD didn't throw them a penny. I recall JRM 2012 WEC program was some kind of last minute decided program probably backed mainly by brabham and chandock. Picket racing was the HPD team in 2012-2013 ALMS and more than once they expressed interest on running at LM but they never had enough budget and of course never received any flight ticket from HPD.
I think is the same for actual msr and wtr teams, I meah the matter is simple..
HPD: do you want to go to LM?
wtr/msr: yes
HPD: good, nothing against, save some money, bye.

This time HPD ruled out a 2023 LM in advance... won't be surprised if this is because of shortage of supply and spare parts for the first season. But in any case, it's all about 2024.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by canaglia

ok, or to better say, let's wait how things will evolve in 2024 but In general, I think you're misinterpreting this sentence:

" Any international sports car program would need to get the green-light from Japan, as was the case with HPD’s most recent effort in the FIA World Endurance Championship in 2012-13 with the HPD ARX-03c LMP1 car."


to me you're just reading: "HPD teams go to LM if HPD decides they go to LM"

that's not that simple. I mean, of course japanese HQ honda is the one that decides which racing/sport programs green-light because each involved company like italian JAS (wtcc, nsx gt3) jap/spanish repsol HRC (motoGP) american HPD (indy and IMSA) japanese HRC (superGT, superformula) jap/UK mugen (? I actually don't know if mugen UK is still involved in something like btcc) receive the budget from japanese HQ honda. So, speaking about IMSA and arx program, is clear that is HQ honda the one that decided to greenlight the acura lmdh program.
But arx teams, as far I remember never got any aut aut from HPD in the past... the only absolute thing is that it's HPD to pick teams and not the reverse, but racing programs it's up to the teams financial possibilities... back in 2011-2013 period, highcroft racing was HPD ALMS team, they received the new arx-01e but they had to retire just after sebring because they had no budget and HPD didn't throw them a penny. I recall JRM 2012 WEC program was some kind of last minute decided program probably backed mainly by brabham and chandock. Picket racing was the HPD team in 2012-2013 ALMS and more than once they expressed interest on running at LM but they never had enough budget and of course never received any flight ticket from HPD.
I think is the same for actual msr and wtr teams, I meah the matter is simple..
HPD: do you want to go to LM?
wtr/msr: yes
HPD: good, nothing against, save some money, bye.

This time HPD ruled out a 2023 LM in advance... won't be surprised if this is because of shortage of supply and spare parts for the first season. But in any case, it's all about 2024.

That's LITERALLY what they wrote and EXACTLY what both teams said. It is NOT NOT NOT their decision, Honda in Japan must authorize the entries. HPD ONLY covers IMSA racing and would rely on Honda main office to run the cars in WEC or LM if they are interested. MSR and WTR ONLY have deals for support in IMSA as they have made plainly clear, I recommend reading the words written instead of poorly interpreting a story to read what you want like a 9th grader English teacher would. They were wrong then and you are now.