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Old 8 May 2008, 19:07 (Ref:2197106)   #1
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Why is the best sounding car in LMS/Le Mans,the Lambo,so slow?

So why is that? I mean,lots of money has gone in to this project allready,they have a class A testdriver in Peter Kox but still there's no real progression...
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Old 8 May 2008, 19:20 (Ref:2197116)   #2
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Its not slow ..... I won a couple races last year I think , Fia gt ?

Probably doesnt have the level of development & testing like AMR through Prodrive , Corvette through Pratt & Miller and Saleen through Oreca .

Reiter is doing it by himself as far as I know .
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Old 8 May 2008, 19:24 (Ref:2197119)   #3
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The JLOC entry was never going to be as fast as the Reiter car, so that's why it was slower at Le Mans.
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Old 8 May 2008, 19:30 (Ref:2197124)   #4
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But this years entry basically is a Reiter car is it not? Therefore it should have the latest bits on it...
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Old 8 May 2008, 21:12 (Ref:2197191)   #5
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It's heavy, aerodynamically compromised, and converted from 4wd.

and peter kox is indeed class A
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Old 8 May 2008, 21:21 (Ref:2197195)   #6
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It's heavy, aerodynamically compromised, and converted from 4wd.
How much does it weigh?

Not sure about the aero side. I know it has a dispensation to run a different rear wing, but the rest of the package shouldn't be too bad.

Lack of 4WD shouldn't be an issue either on the geometry or powertrain side. I run a Gallardo GT3 which still has the road car engine position, yet that doesn't affect the set-up much.
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Old 8 May 2008, 22:25 (Ref:2197220)   #7
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How much does it weigh?

Not sure about the aero side. I know it has a dispensation to run a different rear wing, but the rest of the package shouldn't be too bad.

Lack of 4WD shouldn't be an issue either on the geometry or powertrain side. I run a Gallardo GT3 which still has the road car engine position, yet that doesn't affect the set-up much.
well, the aero has a MASSIVE frontal area, i'd say- but i'm no expert. Mucke said it weighs a lot, and handles "like a truck".
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Old 8 May 2008, 22:51 (Ref:2197232)   #8
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bludvl_x19 should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridbludvl_x19 should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridbludvl_x19 should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridbludvl_x19 should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
'Cos it sounds sooo cool, it doesn't NEED to go fast to attract attention, just like your favourite chav cruising down at Tesco's

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Old 8 May 2008, 23:27 (Ref:2197248)   #9
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'Cos it sounds sooo cool, it doesn't NEED to go fast to attract attention, just like your favourite chav cruising down at Tesco's

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You're comparing a Lamborghini R-GT to a chav at tesco's...

right.

errr...NO.
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Old 8 May 2008, 23:37 (Ref:2197252)   #10
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Yeah, sorry, (really) bad example. The remainder of my point stands however

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Old 9 May 2008, 00:14 (Ref:2197263)   #11
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Indeed,how much does it weigh? Aren't all the GT1's close to the minimal required weight? I mean,with allmost the entire body consisting of carbon...
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Old 9 May 2008, 03:41 (Ref:2197317)   #12
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Mucke said it weighs a lot, and handles "like a truck".
Well , any driver who can make that car sing , and call it a truck .... If I had a team, Mucke would be in it !!!

Brilliant driver , imo . Shorty thinks so too !!! lol
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Old 9 May 2008, 11:48 (Ref:2197543)   #13
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Lambo hmmm nothing like the sceem of a Lambo V12...
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Old 9 May 2008, 12:38 (Ref:2197567)   #14
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Yeah, sorry, (really) bad example. The remainder of my point stands however

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Bad?... It is one of the best comparisons I heard in years Really had a great laugh
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Old 9 May 2008, 18:03 (Ref:2197759)   #15
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Why is the best sounding car in LMS/Le Mans,the Lambo,so slow?
Money? I get the impression the project was always underfunded. Since last year Reiter made some progress in developing the car (thanks to the money earned by the sale of many Gallardo GT3 cars?).
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Old 9 May 2008, 18:54 (Ref:2197790)   #16
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Speedblood should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridSpeedblood should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Put the engine in a Lola Coupe...
or maybe the epilson euskardi if they want to change engines...
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Old 9 May 2008, 19:08 (Ref:2197799)   #17
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Now here's some good reading after todays practicesessions at Spa-francorchamps: "The IPB Spartak Racing Lamborghini Murcielago was fastest in the GT1 category. Lapping the track in 2:17.053 the Lamborghini was 3.3 seconds quicker than its rivals." (with regards to PlanetLeMans.com)

O.K.,it's only the practicesessions yet,but that's less then 1,5 slower then the so far best set time of one of the C6-R's!

@Speedblood,

Now THAT would be a great murge!
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Now THAT would be a great murge!
So i thought

Would make a great comparison against the Aston Lola. Both in performance and noise
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3rd on GT1 grid at Spa..... with a 2:17.021 ..... pretty good effort I think .
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Old 10 May 2008, 21:41 (Ref:2198480)   #20
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Peter Kox loves Spa,I think that made big difference.
That Lambo is quite reliable,if those Corvette's and Astons mess up to much,there might even be a podium finish!
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Emphasis on quite. ie not very. And yes, Peter does love Spa.
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Nice finish at Spa (2nd place). Could have won with some luck!

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3rd on GT1 grid at Spa.....
out of 5

that's middle of the pack, ie quite average
(just wish we could have more cars to compare to)
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Old 11 May 2008, 21:23 (Ref:2199522)   #24
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So why is that? I mean,lots of money has gone in to this project allready,they have a class A testdriver in Peter Kox but still there's no real progression...
Your point is what exactly ?

They did themselves proud today , imo .
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Against weak opposition, Peter did himself proud.

The car and team were OK, I guess, but that was 80% kox.
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