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The problem is the F1 teams haven't been welcoming, so Andretti seemed to feel he needed to fight back. However maybe it is best he does his talking with his work
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Quick thought I just had:
What is stopping a manufacturer to start hiring staff and design a car for 2026 regulations now? They can design and do unlimited testing now and only apply for a spot on the grid in 2025 for 2026! - meaning they will not be limited by budget and cfd/wind tunnel time until they are accepted Only limitation I can see is having access to the tyres themselves I believe VW did something like this in WRC - they did unlimited testing in 2012 and only homologated the car in December 2012 meaning they had a full year with no restrictions in designing and testing their cars |
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Maybe they are just not interested? Or there isn't enough demand. Not saying we won't have new manufacturers joining, but I doubt they would have a full entry without an existing team. But I would like to see more teams joining
Didn't know that about VW in WRC. They were always intending the enter the WRC for the foreseeable future, so no surprise there |
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I took a few quick looks at the financial regulations and the first issue is that if you show up in 2025 looking for an entry in 2026, even if you sign agreement in late 2025, you still have to report your 2025 financial activities just like you had already signed up. So you don't get 2025 for free. So hypothetically you get remainder of 2023 and all of 2024 without oversight. But I see other practical problems. Working backwards, you need approval to join to series. You are at the mercy of others to agree and let you in. As we have seen (Andretti) that is not an easy tasks. Being told "no" is a real possibility. So what might you do that might cause enough drama that you are told "no"? That leads to the next issue. You would need to fund, staff and have physical resources in place. Short of having this already done, under a dormant volcano in a secret lair in the Pacific somewhere, all of this would be very public activities. So F1 (teams, FIA, etc.) are not dumb and would know what is going on. So why would the F1 as a whole just say "yes" to someone who tries to game the situation like this? That would never fly. Lastly, take this story to your board of directors for funding and say you plan to game the system, spend a huge amount of money up front, but you have no guarantee that you will be able to secure an entry? Who in their right mind would approve that spend? You didn't ask, but there is a similar question on the power unit side. Those are governed by a different set of financial regulations and this scenario is actually maybe planned for. In my quick reading of the regulations, there is not just a one year look back, but a look back that I think extends to effectively now. So you can join late, but the financial constraints (reporting, etc.) is just as if you had joined with the initial group who signed up for 2026 power units. The only adjustment is that you get to turn in your yearly financial reports late (others have yearly deadlines) Richard |
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This company is not an f1 team, has no interest in joining, and the prototype will never be homologated. ITs just a private project with unlimited budget and test days. It will be put in Toto's home as a toy. But Toto, Christian, or whomever are VERY interested in the testing results and changes to this car that does look a lot like their F1 car, He even offered to let his drivers spend time in it. Last edited by bathurst77; 24 Apr 2023 at 02:25. |
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I don't think the engine rules in 2026 will be too complicated. I think there will still be enough room for fine tuning, even with restrictions
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to add to that...the spending then for the next round of engines will shift to the bio/sustainable fuels side of things and that would be money spent by their fuel partners and well outside the scope of any FIA review.
not that i have an issue with that mind you, every petrol company i assume is working massively in this area whether they are involved in F1 or not and thus not an existential threat to the logic and integrity of the cap? and there are already rules in place to assure the fuels meet certain criteria temperature levels and/or maintain other characteristics? before i go off topic with that line of thinking...the type of partnership a new prospective team will be one that requires a strong partnership with a petrol company. in the Andretti case i assume they would use Renault's engine and fuel provider? |
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They should look into the bio fuels, if they haven't already. It will be easy for the fuel suppliers to do and the FIA will be seen to do the right thing.
Of course it's good to have many different fuel suppliers involved and with the cap, it should be easily kept under control. The fuel rules all make sense Anyway, obviously any new team needs to make sure it has the right contacts and suppliers. I'm not sure about Andretti atm and not sure if Renault have any future plans of supplying engines. |
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I hope that the fuel suppliers don't just try to "green wash" their fuels, as there is a real possibility that they could be quite inventive if they really tried to do the right thing. For example, you may be aware that out King Charles 111, who has been quite an environmentalist for donkey's years, had his classic Aston Martin converted to run on biofuels many years ago. Some of the ingredients that make up the mix of the fuel include cheese and wine that are very much past their best. Just turning food crops into bio-fuel should not be the answer, any more than the UK government does by giving special grants to one of our electricity generating companies for burning wood pellets that come from forests, many in Canada, that are being chopped down especially for that purpose. |
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Sorry, I was not quite correct: it's said to be surplus wine and whey. And Aston have been quoted as saying that it's it runs very smoothly, and it has increased the engine's power! |
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IndyCar are using 100% renewable race fuel as of this season, which has been developed by Shell. Shell are an official partner of Ferrari, so it will be interesting to see if Ferrari and Shell do the same.
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Richard, they do include forest biomass which they claim is sustainable. However, that is very subjective dependant on what timber is being used.
"Virgin" paper, as opposed to recycled, also comes from sustainable forest because they use specific types of tree which is very fast growing - less than 10years, from memory - that is then ready to make the perfect pulp for high grade paper. But that is specific to paper manufacture and, certainly in my time in the business, they were actually planting at least two for every tree felled in Scandinavia. Will the same principles apply to fuel for F1? |
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Rodin cars to put in a bid for F1 grid.
I don't think this is a publicity stunt, and the money shouldn't be a problem, it sounds like he is serious. NZ does have the ability to produce very high tech innovative and winning manufacturing - think Team NZ Americas Cup, Rocket Lab etc. Interesting choice of drivers, both have yet to set the world alight in the upper feeder formulae. Louis Sharp has time and may well prove himself but I'm not sure about Jamie Chadwick. She could be a good PR move though. https://www.thepress.co.nz/a/nz-news...ate-david-dick Last edited by Rusty Nail; 4 May 2023 at 01:06. Reason: Add info |
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As long as he stays well clear of Mike Krack I see no issue.
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There's an earlier article here from Motorsport Magazine which puts a slightly different slant on it.
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Have watched Jamie Chadwick quite a few times in the past, and she was always quick amongst other drivers who were also good drivers.
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