LMP2 Manufacturers and Engine Suppliers

[carbsmith]

Coyote's shop is literally 30' from Crawford Composites (which still does carbon tub race cars) anyways, so even that excuse is hard to take at face value.

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by carbsmith

Coyote's shop is literally 30' from Crawford Composites (which still does carbon tub race cars) anyways, so even that excuse is hard to take at face value.

It would be better if Coyote would buy Crawford to have carbon fiber manufacturing capabilities, but then it'll be too late by then so they'll have to wait for 4 years after 2017.

Speaking of GM, looking at carbsmith's comments makes me wonder if they stopped being greedy and decided to focus on their GTE program? Then again, Mr. Jim France wouldn't want his prototypes not having Corvette engine power (plus bodywork).

Well, time to continue the hating game against that 4-manufacturer limit!

[Rcz]

I hate the 4 manufacturer limit!


Coyote probably doesn't have the resources to make a brand new modern platform. So thier going to need some help most likely. If GM chipped in then the transition might go smoothly.

But they probably go with the multiple American Chassis makers making one car thing. Which is dumb.

[wdave0]

It does make sense to expect Coyote to be a factor given their political connections, they could subcontract to Chase or Dallara for tubs, but keep in mind Riley already has a P2 design which would only need some updating, and they are very capable, their car would probably be competitive.

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by wdave0

It does make sense to expect Coyote to be a factor given their political connections, they could subcontract to Chase or Dallara for tubs, but keep in mind Riley already has a P2 design which would only need some updating, and they are very capable, their car would probably be competitive.

And not much more than that (when it comes to a prototype car). They have been/are far more busier with the Viper program anyway.

[wdave0]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

And not much more than that (when it comes to a prototype car). They have been/are far more busier with the Viper program anyway.

Still a lot more than Coyote who aren't even sure what a carbon fiber tub is .<G>

[Bob Baldwin]

As I have already stated Riley has 2 LMP3 's under construction obviously with CF tubs . Though it is not yet explained whether Riley or Crawford are doing the Tub ?

[TheMightyM]

John Dagys reports that HPD will bid to become one of the four approved P2 constructors:

While the regulations have yet to be fully defined, Honda Performance Development is preparing its bid in hopes of becoming one of the approved chassis constructors in the new-for-2017 LMP2 regulations.

The California-based manufacturer, which is targeting the re-entry of its ARX-04b coupe later this year in the TUDOR United SportsCar Championship, is optimistic of remaining in the LMP2 ranks for the long-term.

“We’ve told IMSA that we’re throwing our hat into the ring,” HPD Vice President and Chief Operating Officer Steve Eriksen told Sportscar365. “We had a very good discussion with them at Sebring.

You can read the rest of his story here.

[Danathar]

Originally Posted by Rcz

I hate the 4 manufacturer limit!


Coyote probably doesn't have the resources to make a brand new modern platform. So thier going to need some help most likely. If GM chipped in then the transition might go smoothly.

But they probably go with the multiple American Chassis makers making one car thing. Which is dumb.

I do too, but compared to now how much different is it? I'd be HAPPY if we had 4 different makes of P2 cars on the grid.

More? Sure that would be great but 4, along with different bodywork should make for variety. Although at first I was sour on the whole thing, I'm starting to understand the whole economics of it. Each one of those manufacturers of P2 tubs has to make money, and if you had 7 or 8 different manufacturers, sure it would be great for us fans but how long would you REALLY have them? Within 3 years half would be broke.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by TheMightyM

John Dagys reports that HPD will bid to become one of the four approved P2 constructors:


You can read the rest of his story here.

Man, the early failures of the 04 can't be sitting real well with HPD right now. I'd like to think they have a better case for being one of the 4 if the 04 had succeeded, but I guess if one manufacturer from the Americas has to be chosen their odds are slightly better than other companies not currently offering a P2.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by Danathar

I do too, but compared to now how much different is it? I'd be HAPPY if we had 4 different makes of P2 cars on the grid.

More? Sure that would be great but 4, along with different bodywork should make for variety. Although at first I was sour on the whole thing, I'm starting to understand the whole economics of it. Each one of those manufacturers of P2 tubs has to make money, and if you had 7 or 8 different manufacturers, sure it would be great for us fans but how long would you REALLY have them? Within 3 years half would be broke.

There is nothing to support your 3 and half years theory This decade:

2015 On-track
Oak 'Ligier' JS P2 & Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan' (+EVO)
Zytek 'Gibson' Z11SN
HPD ARX-03 & HPD ARX-04
Oreca 05 & Oreca 03R (+ fake Alpine)
SMP BR01
Dome S103
Lola B12/80 'Mazda'
(Pillbeam MP100 LMP2)

2014 On-track
Oak 'Ligier' JS P2 & Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan'
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-03
Oreca 03R (+ fake Alpine)
Lola B12/80 'Mazda'
(Pilbeam MP100 LMP2)
(Radical SR9)

2013 On-Track
Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan'
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-03
Oreca 03 (+ fake Alpine)
Lola B11/40 & Lola B12/80
Kodewa 'Lotus' T128
(Radical SR9)

2012 On-Track
Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan'
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-03
Oreca 03
Lola B11/80 & Lola B12/80 (&87)
Norma M200P
Radical SR10

2011 On-Track
Oak Pescarolo 01
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-01d & HPD ARX-01g
Oreca 03
Lola B08/80 & Lola B11/40 & Lola B12/80 & MG-Lola EX265
Norma M200P
(Radical SR9)

2010 On-Track
Pescarolo 01
Porsche RS Spyder EVO
Zytek 'Ginetta' GZ09S (&2)
HPD ARX-01c
Lola B07/70 & Lola B08/80 (&47) & Lola B09/80 (&86) & MG-Lola EX265
Courage Oreca LC75
Norma M200P
WR LMP2008
Radical SR9

on track meaning official session
() for test only afaik

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by Chiana

There is nothing to support your 3 and half years theory

There are multiple manufacturers on that list in every year, yes, but I count only 4 that have managed to stay on the market constantly: HPD, Oreca, Onroak and Zytek. And these four have been the only ones who have mostly been able to supply multiple teams.

I am discounting Lola due to the 2012 bankruptcy. The 4-manufacturer figure is probably a realistic one for business prospects, but I really hope that they change the single-engine rule, that's my biggest beef with this proposal.

[Deleted]

Does that matter as long as people are still fielding different cars? Not all want to have clone chassis from the market leaders, even if it doesn't necessarily always make financial or even competitive sense

And that list's not even counting engine variations in each chassis

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by TheMightyM

John Dagys reports that HPD will bid to become one of the four approved P2 constructors:


You can read the rest of his story here.

HPD is planning to do an Acura NSX DP's body for the new rules.

Eriksen said discussions with IMSA continued last weekend at Long Beach, and he supports their move to embrace multiple engine manufacturers and bodywork with manufacturer styling cues.
“The direction from the TUDOR Championship is that they want to have some identity to it, so [you can see] that’s a Corvette or that’s an Acura NSX or whatever,” Eriksen said. “We’re very strongly in support of that.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

The 4-manufacturer figure is probably a realistic one for business prospects, but I really hope that they change the single-engine rule, that's my biggest beef with this proposal.

Didn't FIA World Council already officially ratify that?

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Didn't FIA World Council already officially ratify that?

It is present in the latest WMSC decision (http://www.fia.com/news/world-motor-...il-2015-geneva), but the fact that the official FIA/ACO press conference about the 2017 P2 regs was delayed to Le Mans seems to me like there's something still going on behind the scenes. And there is a history of decisions ratified by the FIA WMSC which ended up being overturned for various reasons.

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

HPD is planning to do an Acura NSX DP's body for the new rules.

Are they kidding me? Someone bring that NSX GT500 car instead of making a narrow-cockpit version of a road car!

Then again, the IMSA is committed on having P2-style cars instead...

[BullMan]

Please Mazda, just switch to a gas engine.

http://sportscar365.com/industry/doo...2-regulations/

[MagVanisher]

They'll get shot down by ACO since the engine regulations is already set in stone. Sorry Mazda, better focus on gasoline engines and race in LMP1 instead!

[Danathar]

Originally Posted by Chiana

There is nothing to support your 3 and half years theory This decade:

2015 On-track
Oak 'Ligier' JS P2 & Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan' (+EVO)
Zytek 'Gibson' Z11SN
HPD ARX-03 & HPD ARX-04
Oreca 05 & Oreca 03R (+ fake Alpine)
SMP BR01
Dome S103
Lola B12/80 'Mazda'
(Pillbeam MP100 LMP2)

2014 On-track
Oak 'Ligier' JS P2 & Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan'
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-03
Oreca 03R (+ fake Alpine)
Lola B12/80 'Mazda'
(Pilbeam MP100 LMP2)
(Radical SR9)

2013 On-Track
Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan'
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-03
Oreca 03 (+ fake Alpine)
Lola B11/40 & Lola B12/80
Kodewa 'Lotus' T128
(Radical SR9)

2012 On-Track
Oak Pescarolo 01 'Morgan'
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-03
Oreca 03
Lola B11/80 & Lola B12/80 (&87)
Norma M200P
Radical SR10

2011 On-Track
Oak Pescarolo 01
Zytek Z11SN
HPD ARX-01d & HPD ARX-01g
Oreca 03
Lola B08/80 & Lola B11/40 & Lola B12/80 & MG-Lola EX265
Norma M200P
(Radical SR9)

2010 On-Track
Pescarolo 01
Porsche RS Spyder EVO
Zytek 'Ginetta' GZ09S (&2)
HPD ARX-01c
Lola B07/70 & Lola B08/80 (&47) & Lola B09/80 (&86) & MG-Lola EX265
Courage Oreca LC75
Norma M200P
WR LMP2008
Radical SR9

on track meaning official session
() for test only afaik

I hope you are right. The logic though that in order to make money you need to sell more than a couple of cars at high prices does make a little sense for the P2 category.

[Rcz]

So Chevy, Mazda and Honda support the manufacturer body based bodywork.

Ford and Nissan are the last one to announce anything about the P2 regs. I hope this boost up the number of the P class and welcome more manufacturers to enter.

[Bob Baldwin]

Rcz : Where was Fords announcement in reguard to P2 cars ? I must have missed it

[Rcz]

I meant they have not yet said anything about the new P2 rules yet and are the last P2 and Dp engine manufacturers that have yet to say anything.

[Bob Baldwin]

OK THANKS

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by Rcz

I meant they have not yet said anything about the new P2 rules yet and are the last P2 and Dp engine manufacturers that have yet to say anything.

The only manifestation of Ford are the images of this video when they presented the new Ford GT.
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/f...aked-in-video/
http://www.diariomotor.com/competici...sar-a-le-mans/