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25 Mar 2007, 18:48 (Ref:1876016)
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Free tickets...what can I get away with?
Just a quick question about the tickets the clubs send us for the events...
This sunday I will be at Brands Hatch for the BTCC (my first time for the BTCC and i'm really looking forward to it!)...I wanted to do the saturday as well, but had other comitments. I still have these, but not for as long as I previously thought... So anyway, do you think it would be wrong if I used the ticket I was given to go and watch on saturday afternoon for a bit? Should I feel guilty about even asking!?! |
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25 Mar 2007, 18:55 (Ref:1876023)
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If you cannot attend a meeting for whatever reason, you should return your tickets to the organising club. If it were to be discovered that you'd apologised for not marshalling and then turned up as a spectator, the organising clubs would take a pretty dim view of it. |
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25 Mar 2007, 19:04 (Ref:1876038)
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They are not 'free tickets'. They are tickets supplied for your use as a marshal; using your ticket to spectate is an abuse of the system & reflects badly on you & the whole marshalling community.
Of course, if you have a guest ticket that can be used to spectate, but implicit on the issuing of that ticket is the condition that you will marshal. Last edited by Dave Brand; 25 Mar 2007 at 19:07. |
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25 Mar 2007, 19:08 (Ref:1876042)
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Why not see if you can sign on late on the Saturday?
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25 Mar 2007, 19:14 (Ref:1876052)
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That's actually a good idea Ian. I've known people do that before for various reasons. |
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25 Mar 2007, 20:29 (Ref:1876125)
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You could probably sign on at the foot of Race Control. Call Roger Allnutt the Chief Marshal (phone number on final instructions) and he will tell you which post to go to.
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25 Mar 2007, 20:59 (Ref:1876153)
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Correct me if I am wrong or if I have read this wrong, but if someone volunteers for 1 day of a 2/3 day meeting and receives the usual 2 tickets, then why shouldn't anyone who finds themselves in the situation to do so, use 1 of the tickets to spectate on the other day to the one that they have volunteered for?????? WHY would this be an abuse of the system? Or should the 2nd ticket go to waste? As long as they are sticking to the original commitment of volunteering, then I cannot see what is wrong with using the 2nd ticket for spectating on the other day. Better than giving it to someone who doesn't really want it and most likely wouldn't use it.
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25 Mar 2007, 21:46 (Ref:1876225)
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She's got a valid point there!
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25 Mar 2007, 22:11 (Ref:1876252)
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Good point NJF, but Dave hit the nail on the head with his earlier post Quote:
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25 Mar 2007, 23:04 (Ref:1876282)
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As a rule of thumb, if you have volunteered for a meeting and then find you are unable to attend, you should send the tickets back to the orgainising club with your apologies. Normally, if you have volunteered for a meeting and then say you are unable to attend, but then use the tickets as a spectator, the club will take you off their volunteer list for future events.
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26 Mar 2007, 08:16 (Ref:1876487)
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I totally agree that as a rule of thumb, you should return tickets you don't intend to use.
But for the specific situation you've described, I would think a polite phone call or email to the CM would be the most sensible move. They'll be able to tell you if it's ok or not. If it's a once off situation - particularly as you are marshalling on the Sunday in any case - they may well be understanding - particularly if you've never marshalled a BTCC as it will give you an opportunity to see the event close up. |
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26 Mar 2007, 08:57 (Ref:1876515)
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I can see a grey area here....
someone has mentioned on another thread that they intend to do the friday of the Goodwood meeting and then spectate the other two days... are they indeed volunteering to do the friday just to get two free passes for spectating... However I do not see a problem with the original question from Staid |
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26 Mar 2007, 08:59 (Ref:1876519)
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I suspect that the BARC would only give the marshal a friday pass.
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26 Mar 2007, 09:49 (Ref:1876557)
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Thats what BARC did for me at one of the earlier Goodwood Revivals, - I had already volunteered for a sat/sun at Brands but could do the Friday if reqd at Goodwood. BARC took me on, but I only got a Friday ticket.
Things may be different now regards marshalling only Friday. We know these biggies get more than enough applications, so chiefs have to prioritise in some way, selecting those able to attend most days being one way. I also thought that the poster in the other thread had made it quite clear that he and his wife (I think), were paying spectators at Goodwood Saturday and Sunday. |
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26 Mar 2007, 09:59 (Ref:1876565)
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quote:- (also thought that the poster in the other thread had made it quite clear that he and his wife (I think), were paying spectators at Goodwood Saturday and Sunday) ...I was not trying to imply that the other poster was doing that, but was saying that it could set a precident for SOME to abuse the system... sorry if it sounded that way.
Regards Roy |
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26 Mar 2007, 12:50 (Ref:1876679)
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Good clarification, Roy, I was sure that was what you'd intended to say.
I'm in agreement with the other comments above. You're pass is to allow you entry so that you may marshal the event. Your spare pass is to allow a guest to accompany you to that event. As a volunteered marshal, you should not be using either pass to gain free entry to the event as a spectator unless you have the agreement of the Chief Marshal to do so (and most, if not all, will be amenable to someone turning up later either to marshal, or to spectate for the rest of the day with their consent.) The one occasion I've been in a position to do this and hadn't been able to contact the chief marshal in advance, I presented myself to race control immediately upon entry and offered my services if required. As the programme was more than half way through, he said I could spectate if I wished, which I did, and I spent all afternoon wishing I was marshalling! |
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26 Mar 2007, 15:04 (Ref:1876739)
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I bet this FELLOW marshal feels really welcome now.
Can I remind some people that this is a VOLUNTARY service that people take up in their spare time and they should not be made to feel like they are 'abusing the system'. In my opinion why should they not use their free ticket to go on the Saturday afternoon to see what madness they will be dealing with on the Sunday (therefore gaining experience of the package)? I know people will not agree with this but could someone provide and explanation of what happens to the tickets when they are sent back to the organising club? We are short of us marshalls as it is, some of the responses in here will only push people away from the sport. |
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26 Mar 2007, 15:15 (Ref:1876742)
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Royalridge ComputingA LARGE Teapot Veteran
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I think you're missing the point Pug - perhaps you'd like to go back to the beginning of the thread and read again?
Forum discussions generally have 3 or 4 different situations appearing in the same thread. What's being said is that marshals who volunteer to marshal a day, get the ticket, don't marshal and then use the ticket to spectate without bothering to let anyone know may find themselves no longer wanted. I'm sure we all agree that this isn't a practice that we want to encourage. However, for the specific circumstances mentioned - where there is a genuine reason not to marshal a day - and where someone is planning to marshal at least one day of the event - they should contact the CM for further information. The CM will then advise what is and is not acceptable. I hardly think any of that is unreasonable. Before posting further, may I suggest you take 5 minutes to read our new user FAQ. You might also want to remember that the majority of people posting here are your fellow marshals - all of whom are aware of the issues surrounding marshalling. |
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26 Mar 2007, 15:19 (Ref:1876747)
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Welcome to your first day at 10/10ths PUG205XS, but no real need to go off the deep end about Staid's treatment.
He knows he's on dodgy ground, and was brave enough to ask for opinions. That's what he's had (and what 10ths is infamous for). Some were anti, but EP and Andy, and I would add, myself think that if Staid is getting away earlier than planned from his Saturday commitment and can come earlier to set up his tent (and take in a bit of speccying,) why not? EP's advice really is the best, call Roger and explain, there is no way on this planet that he'd object. It's not a biggy in my book unless you turn up 5 minutes after the first session starts. Staid, congratulations for being open about it..... |
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26 Mar 2007, 15:33 (Ref:1876762)
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Evilpumpkin, thank you for the advice, especially the part you 'bolded out' for me.
No the practice is not something that should be encouraged, I agree with that. What im saying is someone could have provided details to help this person instead of going on about posting tickets back and abusing systems and cracking open the rulebook to see what people can be got at with! Thanks for your time  
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26 Mar 2007, 15:36 (Ref:1876765)
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I think we did provide details and help.......
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26 Mar 2007, 15:43 (Ref:1876776)
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26 Mar 2007, 15:47 (Ref:1876778)
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26 Mar 2007, 15:50 (Ref:1876781)
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OK, sweet!
I am new to all of this so apologies if I have upset anyone 
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27 Mar 2007, 16:20 (Ref:1877754)
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Thanx
Wel....thankyou for the advice!
Just some clarification from me: I had only voluntered to marshal on sunday, and still aim to do so! I had not originally planned to do sunday because of other comitments. These were going to take the whole day, but not they probably wont. If and only if I did manage to make it to Brands (likely to be at least 2-3pm) i was just wondering about making use of the saturday ticket. Afterall, they do give us two tickets for each day. I only wanted to go and watch for a bit, not selfishly for the entire day! But if I do go, I will of course contact the CM and volunteer my sevrvices. lol. Its more fun marshalling anyway! So anyway, thanks for the opinions and comments and see you sunday! |
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