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Old 22 Aug 2022, 11:24 (Ref:4123424)   #91
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it is Kolles I know....but I will be happy to see a 2 car effort
Absolutely. I'd be delighted to see them on the grid.
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Old 22 Aug 2022, 13:38 (Ref:4123429)   #92
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Yes we need some independant entries, factory efforts come and go to quickly, plus i have always had a soft spot for the underdog
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Old 22 Aug 2022, 17:41 (Ref:4123452)   #93
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Yes we need some independant entries, factory efforts come and go to quickly, plus i have always had a soft spot for the underdog
soft spot confirmed here as well....
however for me the stake in 2023 is:if Toyota wins it will legitimate last years victories without any OEM participation
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Old 23 Aug 2022, 00:18 (Ref:4123463)   #94
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If Ferrari wins in 2023 it won’t legitimize Ferrari’s victory last year because they couldn’t be bothered to enter.

Toyotas win in 2022 is legit. Whatever.
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Old 23 Aug 2022, 05:50 (Ref:4123478)   #95
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If Ferrari wins in 2023 it won’t legitimize Ferrari’s victory last year because they couldn’t be bothered to enter.

Toyotas win in 2022 is legit. Whatever.
Of course it is legit, as the years before...wrong formulation from me...I mean revalue the former victories....they are somewhat hollow...
2016 was almost a great victory but there is no almost in racing and certainly not in LM. 2017 was a disaster for Toyota. Since then it is an unbroken winning strike, with a certain connotation. At least for many fans.
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You can only beat those who turn up to race against you. The fact that Audi and Porsche ran away doesn't make the Toyota victories hollow at all in my mind....
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Old 23 Aug 2022, 08:29 (Ref:4123481)   #97
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If you are winning a wrestling competition against children as an adult person, I do not think your gold medal is really shinny just because no other adults entered. This is how I see it. Why Porsche and Audi ran away....it would worth another topic.
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If you are winning a wrestling competition against children as an adult person, I do not think your gold medal is really shinny just because no other adults entered. This is how I see it. Why Porsche and Audi ran away....it would worth another topic.
Not the greatest of analogies to my mind.... I take your point (of course), but at the end of the day, they have their name on the trophy. I'm black and white on Audi and Porsche. They could have stayed to take on Toyota, but they didn't. End of topic....
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Hollows an even worse expression and shows nothing of what it is to compete in, finish, let alone in first place of any of these 24 hour races. Looked at it that way which years shall we say are hollow and not bother with? Most of them?!

Obviously it will be great to win when there is a bigger field including those names. But it is legit and it isn’t hollow. Just makes it even better. There is nothing they could have done about it.

I suppose it is just natural and easier to look for the bad and not see the good. To stop us questioning our own legitimacy and worth? (General observation, not specific)

These others can do what they want, but the Hypercar performances last year that were hollow and not legitimate are those of Ferrari, Porsche, etc…

It was still difficult and there was still glory.

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Crikey I feel strongly about that. Sorry
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Old 23 Aug 2022, 11:50 (Ref:4123493)   #102
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I guess we are talking about the same If Toyota wins next year it will put some extra shine backwards as well. really end of topic
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Not the greatest of analogies to my mind.... I take your point (of course), but at the end of the day, they have their name on the trophy. I'm black and white on Audi and Porsche. They could have stayed to take on Toyota, but they didn't. End of topic....
Exactly, you've got to be in it to win it. No use thinking 'what if this manufacturer had entered', because they chose not to have a go.
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