WEC Race 6 Hours Of Spa-Francorchamps 3-5 May 2018 - Page 2

LC2guy · 3 May 2018, 12:49 (Ref:3819089)

OK, so the P1s improve much more between Practice & Qualy, whereas GTE's straight up to speed. I didn't realise that, so stand corrected on the sand comment ( for now ... ).

RedSquirrel · 3 May 2018, 12:50 (Ref:3819090)

Are Manor really short of money? Why doesn't Ginetta or even Tomlinson himself contribute anything? They'll likely never get a better chance to win Le Mans.

kvenom · 3 May 2018, 12:55 (Ref:3819091)

Manor is this a joke or something?

RedSquirrel · 3 May 2018, 13:06 (Ref:3819097)

According to Racer, Léo Roussel isn't in Spa at all so the #5 Ginetta is down to two drivers. No reasons given for the lack of track activity or Roussel's absence. I wonder did Roussel decide to get off the ship before it sank?
http://racer.com/2018/05/03/alonso-l...ession-at-spa/
This situation is bizarre.

JoeW04 · 3 May 2018, 13:09 (Ref:3819099)

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Originally Posted by RedSquirrel

According to Racer, Léo Roussel isn't in Spa at all so the #5 Ginetta is down to two drivers. No reasons given for the lack of track activity or Roussel's absence. I wonder did Roussel decide to get off the ship before it sank?
http://racer.com/2018/05/03/alonso-l...ession-at-spa/
This situation is bizarre.

Unfortunately looks like yet another motorsport case of all flash no cash, a real shame as the cars look good

Mike E · 3 May 2018, 13:26 (Ref:3819102)

https://www.motorsport-total.com/24-...n-auto-zurueck

"According to information from 'Motorsport-Total.com' the Le Mans organizer ACO has already taken the first measures. The KCMG team was told to get ready for a start at the 24-hour race in June. The former WEC team has named a Dallara-Gibson with paydriver Louis Prette under the title "APM Monaco Team KCMG" and is currently in first place on the reserve list."

Mike E · 3 May 2018, 13:35 (Ref:3819105)

That story, which might be made up nonsense, says Ginetta are funding the #5 so the #6 might be withdrawn if funding is missing.

Irie · 3 May 2018, 14:56 (Ref:3819116)

Toyota unload a bit of sand

1.56

RedSquirrel · 3 May 2018, 15:12 (Ref:3819118)

Porsche also remove some sand. 2:14.647. That's really shifting for a GT car.

Deleted · 3 May 2018, 15:51 (Ref:3819125)

You can still refer to it as EOT as regardless of what's being done and how, it is tweaking between different technologies, not individual cars like in DPi or wherever. Thet're not gonna penalise Rebellion for being faster than ByKolles or grant SMP gifts for being slower than Dragonspeed. They are giving clea advantage to Toyota of course - seemingly on racr by race basis - but they can excuse it with running to different tech set

Of course what they are doing here is done in... Unsatisfactory way to say the least... But it could be worse. And to be frank, IF there is going to be favoritism to either side it's better to be on factory spectrum because they genuinely would be miles ahead of all the nonhybrids anyway if everyone run the same weight and fuel specs, not only in technology but resources too

Anyway going back to proceedings, Ginetta's looking rather awful

Mike E · 3 May 2018, 15:56 (Ref:3819128)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Anyway going back to proceedings, Ginetta's looking rather awful

I accept full responsibility...

"Still trying to work out how we have 10 spend-what-you-like LMP1s but 8 cost capped LMP2s, but I'm very happy about it."

Deleted · 3 May 2018, 15:59 (Ref:3819130)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

I accept full responsibility...

"Still trying to work out how we have 10 spend-what-you-like LMP1s but 8 cost capped LMP2s, but I'm very happy about it."

Hmm yes

But this is not really Manor's fault nor their questionable sponsor situations but rather Ginetta not putting pressure and resources. They screwed their otherwise promisingly starting LMP3 program the same way, effectively

TF110 · 3 May 2018, 15:57 (Ref:3819129)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

You can still refer to it as EOT as regardless of what's being done and how, it is balancing between different technologies, not individual cars like in DPi or wherever. Thet're not gonna penalise Rebellion for being faster than ByKolles or grant SMP gifts for being slower than Dragonspeed. They are giving clea advantage to Toyota of course but they can excuse it with hybrids

Of course what they are doing here is done in... Unsatisfactory ways... But it could be worse. And to be frank, if there is going to be favoritism to either side it's better to be on factory side because tgey genuinely would be miles ahead of all the nonhybrids anyway if everyone run the same general specs, not only in technology but resources too

Anyway going back to proceedings, Ginetta's looking rather awful

Eot is working as intended imo, because the lmp1's (aside Toyota) are fast, and will get faster as they get up to speed, literally and figuratively. As far as the fuel stints go, it was stated months ago Toyota would have a 1 lap advantage at Le Mans, that's going to translate to more than 1 lap at other tracks. My bet is that the race pace is going to start going to favor non-hybrids. I'm hoping that at least. And GTE is flying, that's close to late GT1 pace already in only 2 practice sessions.

Deleted · 3 May 2018, 16:01 (Ref:3819131)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Eot is working as intended imo, because the lmp1's (aside Toyota) are fast, and will get faster as they get up to speed, literally and figuratively. As far as the fuel stints go, it was stated months ago Toyota would have a 1 lap advantage at Le Mans, that's going to translate to more than 1 lap at other tracks. My bet is that the race pace is going to start going to favor non-hybrids. I'm hoping that at least. And GTE is flying, that's close to late GT1 pace already in only 2 practice sessions.

They stated the one-lap LM hybrid advantage very early on but it always seemed more of a guideline than actual regulative implementation/mandation

TF110 · 3 May 2018, 16:10 (Ref:3819134)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

They stated the one-lap LM hybrid advantage very early on but it always seemed more of a guideline than actual regulative implementation/mandation

I don't see what a guideline would be stated for. If they say hybrid has an efficiency advantage of a lap at LM, that seems pretty set in stone. I think the fact that this information is being talked about now is a little funny. Maybe because the exact wording is being released? Maybe because non-hybrids are taken aback a little at the fact they have to adhere to being 'short-stinted'?

Maybe they can underfuel their car now and save some time during pit stops or run lighter?

Deleted · 3 May 2018, 16:17 (Ref:3819138)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I don't see what a guideline would be stated for. If they say hybrid has an efficiency advantage of a lap at LM, that seems pretty set in stone. I think the fact that this information is being talked about now is a little funny. Maybe because the exact wording is being released? Maybe because non-hybrids are taken aback a little at the fact they have to adhere to being 'short-stinted'?

Maybe they can underfuel their car now and save some time during pit stops or run lighter?

IDK "Should not exceed" as in the committee bulletin has a smell of desperation to it

But all in all, I don't think any of this is gonna matter at LM because beyond qualifying and first segments of the race, that event most likely won't have anything do with performance this year, but survival

EffectiveSprinkles · 3 May 2018, 16:15 (Ref:3819137)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

They stated the one-lap LM hybrid advantage very early on but it always seemed more of a guideline than actual regulative implementation/mandation

That's because it is. You will notice nowhere in any of the rules or regulations does it say a car is prohibited from doing 18 laps on a stint at Spa. The wording is very clear: the EoT is meant to be set up in such a way that Toyota will have a one lap advantage in stint length. That was always the intention. Extrapolated to Spa that means the non-hybrid cars should do 17 laps on a green stint. The rest of the text is simply a contingency. Say for example Rebellion manage to do 18 lap stints at Spa this race, there is either something wrong with the EoT calculations or the measurements taken at the Prologue and they can make changes as outlined in that document.

Maximum fuel tank fill was always part of the EoT, from the very start. The only thing that's changed is that the non-hybrid cars get a cut in maximum fuel fill. This was already announced and discussed two weeks ago, when Dagys already took a shot at the ACO by calling it a 'slowdown' of the privateer cars when there hadn't even been a race yet.

This whole article is a complete disgrace and yet another example of the complete lack of any journalistic integrity of mr Dagys. It almost makes me angry that people seem to take his opinion disguised as a clickbaity 'news' article as fact already. It does immense damage to the WEC as a championship.

Irie · 3 May 2018, 16:08 (Ref:3819133)

I still don't believe it's regulative mandation. I think if you want to use less fuel per lap than the allowed maximum to stretch the stint you can do so. There was always a maximum Energy per lap and fuel tank size. Dragonspeed are just not happy that the values got changed

RedSquirrel · 3 May 2018, 16:12 (Ref:3819136)

Umm, Ford? 2:13.733. Wow. That's an all-time fastest GT lap. Faster than the Larbre Saleen in 2008 which did 2:13.923.

TF110 · 3 May 2018, 16:21 (Ref:3819142)

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Originally Posted by RedSquirrel

Umm, Ford? 2:13.733. Wow. That's an all-time fastest GT lap. Faster than the Larbre Saleen in 2008 which did 2:13.923.

That is amazing. These guys are going to be in the 2:12's come qualifying! Lmp2 was barely faster than that a couple years ago.

RedSquirrel · 3 May 2018, 16:23 (Ref:3819145)

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Originally Posted by TF110

That is amazing. These guys are going to be in the 2:12's come qualifying! Lmp2 was barely faster than that a couple years ago.

I'd say that was a quali sim by Ford. Speaking of qualifying, are we still doing the two lap,two driver average this year?

Victor_RO · 3 May 2018, 16:37 (Ref:3819154)

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Originally Posted by RedSquirrel

I'd say that was a quali sim by Ford. Speaking of qualifying, are we still doing the two lap,two driver average this year?

They've halved it to two drivers + one lap each 1 or 2 years ago but it's still an average laptime.

RedSquirrel · 3 May 2018, 16:42 (Ref:3819159)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

They've halved it to two drivers + one lap each 1 or 2 years ago but it's still an average laptime.

Thanks.
I knew about it only being one lap from each driver in recent seasons, I just worded my post badly.

MaskedRacer · 3 May 2018, 17:12 (Ref:3819171)

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Originally Posted by TF110

That is amazing. These guys are going to be in the 2:12's come qualifying! Lmp2 was barely faster than that a couple years ago.

Agreed. Just a couple years back. GTLM was running laps at 2 min 20. Which was on par with the SRO Blancpain GT cars.

I can't believe GTs have gotten this quick. They are on the heels of the old regulation LMP2 cars now. A gap to the GT3 cars has happened now. And by the way I'm sure the GT3 pole for the Spa 24 will be about 2 min 16. So they have stepped up too. All a good thing i think.

MaskedRacer · 3 May 2018, 17:13 (Ref:3819172)

What is the issue with Manor racing? Somebody's check did not clear?

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