ACO taking the reins of the JLMC

brielga · 20 Jul 2007, 17:30 (Ref:1968491)

Seems the current series status became a "rien ne va plus"....

http://www.planetlemans.com/cmsv2/in...k=view&id=2970

JAG · 20 Jul 2007, 17:52 (Ref:1968506)

Good to hear, I wonder if they can attract manufactuers without stepping on the toes of Super GT.

HORNDAWG · 20 Jul 2007, 18:07 (Ref:1968523)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Good to hear, I wonder if they can attract manufactuers without stepping on the toes of Super GT.

Might be an excellent alternative for Toyota, Honda, Super Aguri(?) and with Dome, Mazda, and with Aim coming soon it has potential. Maybe the ACO can help the series get a leg up by asking some teams to do a flyaway race in Japan to get some interest generated in ACO legal cars to race in the series.

L.P.

minimangler · 20 Jul 2007, 18:10 (Ref:1968530)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Might be an excellent alternative for Toyota, Honda, Super Aguri(?) and with Dome, Mazda, and with Aim coming soon it has potential.

Super Aguri are F1 only, and realistically those manufacturers gain more from Super GT.

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Maybe the ACO can help the series get a leg up by asking some teams to do a flyaway race in Japan to get some interest generated in ACO legal cars to race in the series.

Teams are already struggling with the cost of a race in RIO, it'd be HARD to get people to go to Japan. As we are seeing in JLMC, does Japan need western sportscar racing or does western sportscar racing need Japan?

HORNDAWG · 20 Jul 2007, 19:06 (Ref:1968569)

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Originally Posted by minimangler

Super Aguri are F1 only, and realistically those manufacturers gain more from Super GT.

Really I didn't know that. NOT! The premise of the statement was as an alternative!! As to gain; you have seen a market analysis that states this? Where? Got a link?

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Teams are already struggling with the cost of a race in RIO, it'd be HARD to get people to go to Japan.

This may be the case, although I have a hard time with that as travel is mostly paid for so it is not that large of a difference than what a race on the Continent would be and would the teams complain as much about that? Also who said that the away race would be at Interlagos next year?

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As we are seeing in JLMC, does Japan need western sportscar racing or does western sportscar racing need Japan?

Do you know what the current offering of JLMC is doing to promote ACO style of Sports Car racing? How do you know what is or isn't being done to promote it?
As for the need, It would be a good thing for the Japanese manufacturers to have a series in their own back yard to help build and develop cars to promote their brand in other markets (N.America and Europe) that are larger than their home market!

L.P.

pederb · 20 Jul 2007, 19:53 (Ref:1968596)

Toyota has been talking about a return to Le Mans, so this might give them a push in the right direction. I think it will be good for Japan and Le Mans.

AU N EGL · 20 Jul 2007, 21:22 (Ref:1968672)

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Originally Posted by pederb

Toyota has been talking about a return to Le Mans, so this might give them a push in the right direction. I think it will be good for Japan and Le Mans.

and with Honda / Accura already in the ALMS

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As we are seeing in JLMC, does Japan need western sportscar racing or does western sportscar racing need Japan?

Japanese auto manufactures needs western sportscar racing. the SuperGT races do not have any structerd racing out side of Japan and Indonesia. For Brand awarness on the " looks like street car" marketing, expanding the Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc, brand name they will need to adapt to FIA/ACO racing. Not the other way around.

Bob Riebe · 20 Jul 2007, 22:11 (Ref:1968701)

Much ado about nothing.

HORNDAWG · 20 Jul 2007, 22:20 (Ref:1968708)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Much ado about nothing.

Really informative and thoughtful post!

L.P.

Bob Riebe · 20 Jul 2007, 22:29 (Ref:1968713)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Really informative and thoughtful post!

L.P.

Just as yours is, only mine is based on reality, not wishful thinking based on the opinion of the writer, who makes much out of nothing.

HORNDAWG · 20 Jul 2007, 22:42 (Ref:1968724)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Just as yours is, only mine is based on reality, not wishful thinking based on the opinion of the writer, who makes much out of nothing.

What? The reality that it wasn't in Popular Hot Rod!

L.P. [H]

porsche45 · 20 Jul 2007, 23:45 (Ref:1968747)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Really informative and thoughtful post!

L.P.

It must have been, since you're responding to it!

Short and to the point.

brielga · 21 Jul 2007, 05:45 (Ref:1968839)

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Originally Posted by minimangler

Teams are already struggling with the cost of a race in RIO

Interlagos is in Sao Paulo....not in Rio.

TheNewBob · 21 Jul 2007, 08:41 (Ref:1968901)

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Originally Posted by pederb

Toyota has been talking about a return to Le Mans

Oh dear...

The Badger · 21 Jul 2007, 09:23 (Ref:1968919)

Oh goodie ... !!!

SALEEN S7R · 21 Jul 2007, 10:40 (Ref:1968951)

Toyota back at Le Mans? Sounds great to me.

JAG · 21 Jul 2007, 16:05 (Ref:1969227)

In the 80's Japanease manufactuers ran big budget Group C sportscar and Group A touring car programs in Japan.

I don't see why the JGTC and JLMC couldn't complement each other, afterall the JGTC is becoming more DTM like by the year rather than a pure sportscar series.

Mazda, Honda, Nissan and Toyota could all have some involvement in ACO prototpye racing in the next 3-4 years, programs not necessarily based in Japan. All these car's could potentially race in the JLMC with home grown teams as in the Group C days.

duke_toaster · 21 Jul 2007, 17:46 (Ref:1969289)

Japanese Tube Frame Fraud Championship (if they ever set foot in the UK, Trading Standards MUST sieze all the cars as they are not GT cars, they are basically protoypes, same with DTM) has a limited lifetime, I hope JLMC improves in quality - if it supported F1 at one or two races, 3 hours race after the GP it would really boost it.

With Toyota going to LM24 with a hybrid it seems that they may want to run their cars in the JLMC. Shame that there is no rule which mandates that all cars must run in ALMS, LMES, FIA GT or JLMC regularly to get in to LM24.

AU N EGL · 21 Jul 2007, 18:14 (Ref:1969303)

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Originally Posted by duke_toaster

Japanese Tube Frame Fraud Championship (if they ever set foot in the UK, Trading Standards MUST sieze all the cars as they are not GT cars, they are basically protoypes, same with DTM) has a limited lifetime, I hope JLMC improves in quality - if it supported F1 at one or two races, 3 hours race after the GP it would really boost it.

With Toyota going to LM24 with a hybrid it seems that they may want to run their cars in the JLMC. Shame that there is no rule which mandates that all cars must run in ALMS, LMES, FIA GT or JLMC regularly to get in to LM24.

Doesn't the JLMC and the JPGT series have heavy betting? Semi ( Koff) leagel gambling? And we all know that why "men" are part of the betting processed, sometimes things get "fixed."

ss_collins · 21 Jul 2007, 18:42 (Ref:1969323)

point of order

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Super Aguri are F1 only

Incorrect Super Aguri do Formula Nippon and the IRL too.

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Japanese Tube Frame Fraud Championship (if they ever set foot in the UK, Trading Standards MUST sieze all the cars as they are not GT cars, they are basically protoypes, same with DTM) has a limited lifetime

Ummm what??? Super GT is doing very well indeed and gets HUGE crowds - 80,000+ at every race I've heard

minimangler · 21 Jul 2007, 19:34 (Ref:1969361)

When i said about japan needing western sportscars i meant supergt is the world's strongest gt/spoprtscar series.
the JLMC is a nice aside.

AU N EGL · 21 Jul 2007, 20:03 (Ref:1969384)

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Originally Posted by minimangler

When i said about japan needing western sportscars i meant supergt is the world's strongest gt/spoprtscar series.
the JLMC is a nice aside.

Really??? and I thought after F1 the ALMS had the biggest fan base and the largest World Wide TV exposure / media presents.

According to Motors TV and Greenlight, it is the ALMS that has the largest world wide TV exposure.

minimangler · 21 Jul 2007, 22:53 (Ref:1969511)

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

According to Motors TV and Greenlight, it is the ALMS that has the largest world wide TV exposure.

Ha! But strongest? No way. Super GT is HUGE in Japan, and way bigger than ALMS is in US (relative). Nothing is gonna take SuperGT's crown. And can i just say, the ALMS is a big fat pile of s**t- how on earth has it got no entries?

AU N EGL · 21 Jul 2007, 23:22 (Ref:1969524)

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Originally Posted by minimangler

Ha! But strongest? No way. Super GT is HUGE in Japan,

and Japan can fit inside my state of North Carolina, so could ( no offence) the UK.

Maybe more on the scale of NASCAR racing, but it is still regional to Japan and Indonesia.

Have a link to their web site?? there might be some spectator info on it.

cptkablamo · 22 Jul 2007, 04:17 (Ref:1969588)

I wouldn't mind if the Japanese returned to ACO racing - as long as the ACO don't get in the mode of relying on manufacturers and then when they all leave (lets face it - its cylcical) the series all falls in a heap because there aren't the privateers left there.

And they could run both - Super GT to impress Japan and run a lower budget team in JLOC and then to Le Mans and LMS/ALMS for the Euro/USA markets - it does make some sense...

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