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Old 15 Aug 2021, 16:57 (Ref:4066871)   #76
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It's not so much as "I hope no", it's *curls into a foetal position in the corner of the room muttering "no! no! no! no! no!... "* That kind of a "no".
I see that you don't know what a endurance race should be.
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Old 15 Aug 2021, 16:57 (Ref:4066873)   #77
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Pla now with the fastest Hypercar lap at 3:29.115
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Old 15 Aug 2021, 17:02 (Ref:4066874)   #78
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kartman24 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Feather in their cap to be quickest on the test day, as said though times will tumble when qualifying starts.........
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I see they never sorted out the timing..... I've been away, consoling myself with icecream.....
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I see they never sorted out the timing..... I've been away, consoling myself with icecream.....
Hopefully timing gets sorted for practice and hyperpole....
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Pla now with the fastest Hypercar lap at 3:29.115
The fastest P2 times were in the 3:31 range which is pretty dang quick for having those cars being slowed down.
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Old 15 Aug 2021, 17:37 (Ref:4066883)   #81
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I quite liked this picture

https://twitter.com/24heuresdumans/s...345750531?s=09

And first time since the 1960's that an American team led a session at Le Mans?
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The disappointing thing for me was having no stream. With so many people having stayed at home, I really feel as though more could have been done, video-wise, especially bearing in mind the vantage point achieved by two of my pals which took my envy levels to previously unknown heights.....
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Old 15 Aug 2021, 17:53 (Ref:4066887)   #83
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All four had problems this morning

38 had a rear blow out
63 had electrical issues and is undergoing engine change
86 had a front left failure and subsequent blow out
95 hit the barriers
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Blow outs are relatively common at Le Mans, or seems that way.
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Old 15 Aug 2021, 18:15 (Ref:4066896)   #84
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Close times.

The #7 got in 38 laps of running. 36 for #24. 19 for #84. 33 for #91. 37 for #47.
For the record this is a load of rubbish. I read the wrong column.

FP1 class leaders in terms of laps overall were

#7 with 41 laps
#32 with 44
#84 with 28
#92 with 33
#47 with 39

FP2 are
#8 with 67
#24 and #34 with 64
#84 with 43
#91 with 58
#69 with 62

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Old 15 Aug 2021, 18:33 (Ref:4066903)   #85
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Do you thing anyone tried qualifying pace yet or were those fastest times in LMH set in longer runs?

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I see that you don't know what a endurance race should be.
I think you misunderstood my post. I strongly agree with you. The dreaded Spa24 SC procedure would ruin Le Mans.
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Do you thing anyone tried qualifying pace yet or were those fastest times in LMH set in longer runs?


I think you misunderstood my post. I strongly agree with you. The dreaded Spa24 SC procedure would ruin Le Mans.
I'm sorry to tell you that your post wasn't clear. Now you give an argument (which could have been pro or con though), that's OK.
Forgive my high sensitivity.
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Old 15 Aug 2021, 18:47 (Ref:4066906)   #87
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Do you thing anyone tried qualifying pace yet or were those fastest times in LMH set in longer runs?
No one went for the ultimate lap would be my guess. Which you’d guess even before you look at the times.

But Toyota and Glickenhaus were going for quicker laps near the end of the session. Alpine did their quickest earlier on, in the 3rd hour.
Toyota #8 had fastest 1st and 3rd sectors. Interestingly this was not on their fastest lap. All this came in their final stint which was seven laps long. Fastest lap came in the middle of this stint and fastest 1st sector on the last lap.
It’s hypothetical quickest lap was 1.1s quicker.

The #7 didn’t look like it was going for times near the end. It’s theoretical FL looked like it could have been 0.7s quicker.

Glickenhaus #708 had fastest lap and fastest 2nd sector, but like the Toyota the fastest sector was not on the fastest lap. It was also part of a longish stint of seven laps. This cars fastest sectors were all in a row, but split over two laps.
It’s hypothetical quickest lap was about 0.8s quicker.

#709 didn’t seem to be going for times near the end. It’s theoretical FL was only 0.2s quicker.

So I think they tried, but not that hard.
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I looked at this properly now.

Glickenhaus has the theoretical fastest lap too. Other class theoretical poles are shown too.

There is much to make this theoretical! These times are just the sum of the best sectors of each car over both sessions. It could be different times of day, different set-ups or different drivers.

Shout out to #92 (Kevin ESTRE), #388 (Jeroen BLEEKEMOLEN) and #69 (Robert RENAUER) who's theoretical fastest was the actual fastest for that car.

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All   50863:29.115-1.1813:27.934
708Glickenhaus RacingGlickenhausHYPERCAR703:29.115-0.7803:28.335
8Toyota Gazoo RacingToyotaHYPERCAR1033:29.622-1.2703:28.352
7Toyota Gazoo RacingToyotaHYPERCAR1053:29.340-0.8303:28.510
36Alpine Elf MatmutAlpineHYPERCAR873:30.111-1.1193:28.992
709Glickenhaus RacingGlickenhausHYPERCAR693:30.924-0.2163:30.708
65Panis RacingOrecaLMP2873:31.120-0.2033:30.917
48IDEC SportOrecaLMP2953:31.105-0.0463:31.059
41Team WRTOrecaLMP2923:31.4480.0003:31.448
22United Autosports USAOrecaLMP2863:31.969-0.5073:31.462
23United AutosportsOrecaLMP2943:31.567-0.0013:31.566
31Team WRTOrecaLMP2963:32.823-0.6713:32.152
29Racing Team NederlandOrecaLMP2753:32.727-0.2323:32.495
82Risi CompetizioneOrecaLMP2893:32.662-0.1493:32.513
32United AutosportsOrecaLMP21073:33.658-0.8953:32.763
24PR1 Motorsports MathiasenOrecaLMP21073:33.126-0.2733:32.853
49High Class RacingOrecaLMP2803:33.680-0.7003:32.980
30Duqueine TeamOrecaLMP2893:33.524-0.5043:33.020
21DragonSpeed USAOrecaLMP2743:33.879-0.6543:33.225
34Inter Europol CompetitionOrecaLMP2953:33.941-0.3813:33.560
70Realteam RacingOrecaLMP2793:33.758-0.1123:33.646
38JOTAOrecaLMP2793:34.478-0.7163:33.762
20High Class RacingOrecaLMP2833:33.839-0.0703:33.769
26G-Drive RacingAurusLMP2873:34.872-1.0173:33.855
25G-Drive RacingAurusLMP2923:33.932-0.0373:33.895
1Richard Mille Racing TeamOrecaLMP2863:34.256-0.1543:34.102
44ARC BratislavaOrecaLMP2903:35.783-1.3253:34.458
28JOTAOrecaLMP2793:34.734-0.2523:34.482
39SO24-Dirob by GraffOrecaLMP2813:37.469-1.1593:36.310
17IDEC SportOrecaLMP2283:38.095-1.5063:36.589
84Association SRT41OrecaINNOVATIVE CAR713:37.171-0.0643:37.107
74Racing Team India EurasiaLigierLMP2943:39.705-0.5463:39.159
91Porsche GT TeamPorscheLMGTE Pro923:52.904-0.9113:51.993
92Porsche GT TeamPorscheLMGTE Pro893:52.901-0.8143:52.087
79WeatherTech RacingPorscheLMGTE Pro723:52.938-0.4823:52.456
52AF CorseFerrariLMGTE Pro713:53.091-0.5423:52.549
64Corvette RacingChevroletLMGTE Pro813:53.440-0.8143:52.626
51AF CorseFerrariLMGTE Pro633:53.080-0.3993:52.681
72Hub Auto RacingPorscheLMGTE Pro893:53.221-0.1033:53.118
63Corvette RacingChevroletLMGTE Pro423:54.281-0.7073:53.574
55Spirit of RaceFerrariLMGTE Am793:54.983-1.3303:53.653
56Team Project 1PorscheLMGTE Am793:54.502-0.6433:53.859
88Dempsey - Proton RacingPorscheLMGTE Am913:54.619-0.7233:53.896
47Cetilar RacingFerrariLMGTE Am803:55.196-1.2503:53.946
80Iron LynxFerrariLMGTE Am923:55.553-1.4683:54.085
99Proton CompetitionPorscheLMGTE Am893:54.472-0.2023:54.270
71Inception RacingFerrariLMGTE Am823:54.621-0.3513:54.270
85Iron LynxFerrariLMGTE Am853:55.614-1.2343:54.380
66JMW MotorsportFerrariLMGTE Am903:54.530-0.1233:54.407
18Absolute RacingPorscheLMGTE Am943:55.011-0.5423:54.469
54AF CorseFerrariLMGTE Am843:55.273-0.7823:54.491
57Kessel RacingFerrariLMGTE Am883:55.224-0.7073:54.517
86GR RacingPorscheLMGTE Am413:54.6680.0003:54.668
60Iron LynxFerrariLMGTE Am783:56.186-1.4473:54.739
388Rinaldi RacingFerrariLMGTE Am813:54.9030.0003:54.903
98Aston Martin RacingAston MartinLMGTE Am863:55.710-0.6973:55.013
77Dempsey - Proton RacingPorscheLMGTE Am793:55.895-0.3583:55.537
777D'Station RacingAston MartinLMGTE Am643:55.866-0.3073:55.559
69Herberth MotorsportPorscheLMGTE Am973:55.5950.0003:55.595
46Team Project 1PorscheLMGTE Am793:56.190-0.5453:55.645
33TF SportAston MartinLMGTE Am713:56.895-0.9573:55.938
83AF CorseFerrariLMGTE Am833:56.197-0.2153:55.982
95TF SportAston MartinLMGTE Am463:57.656-0.8233:56.833

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lots of people not messing about with low fuel/new tyre combinations. it should be reasonably obvious who did!
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lots of people not messing about with low fuel/new tyre combinations. it should be reasonably obvious who did!
I’ll have a look

The top two times for hyper were in long stints.

But not checked out LMP2 yet, but I see #48 and #65 had a short stint with their fastest time

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I think Toyota (Hyp) and Corvette (GTE Pro) were sandbagging some today. Those two teams more than anybody else.
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They were probably just going through their program and this doesn’t show their ultimately pace. Sandbagging to purposely hide their pace? Nah, they’ve got better things to do.
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I think Toyota (Hyp) and Corvette (GTE Pro) were sandbagging some today. Those two teams more than anybody else.
Let's see, Corvette has new car on top speed heavy track, new tire compound that's not used in IMSA, and making sure the car is set for the WEC BOP. Yeah, they have time to do all that and sandbag at Corvette. Improving times all week SHOULD be expected, they're learning what the car needs.
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lots of people not messing about with low fuel/new tyre combinations. it should be reasonably obvious who did!
Blummin' 'eck. Look at all the LMP2 teams!

Below is the FL of each car and the stint length that it was set in.
Of course, a short stint length doesn't mean they were low on fuel, or that they had new tyres, but...

Certainly shows those that had a long stint, but still set the time.

Car#TeamCarDriverClassLap TimeFL Stint Length
708Glickenhaus RacingGlickenhausOlivier PLAHYPERCAR3:29.1159
7Toyota Gazoo RacingToyotaMike CONWAYHYPERCAR3:29.34012
8Toyota Gazoo RacingToyotaKazuki NAKAJIMAHYPERCAR3:29.6227
36Alpine Elf MatmutAlpineNicolas LAPIERREHYPERCAR3:30.1116
709Glickenhaus RacingGlickenhausRomain DUMASHYPERCAR3:30.9246
48IDEC SportOrecaPaul Loup CHATINLMP23:31.1053
65Panis RacingOrecaWilliam STEVENSLMP23:31.1204
41Team WRTOrecaLouis DELETRAZLMP23:31.4485
23United AutosportsOrecaPaul DI RESTALMP23:31.5673
22United Autosports USAOrecaFilipe ALBUQUERQUELMP23:31.9693
82Risi CompetizioneOrecaFelipe NASRLMP23:32.6623
29Racing Team NederlandOrecaGiedo VAN DER GARDELMP23:32.7275
31Team WRTOrecaCharles MILESILMP23:32.8233
24PR1 Motorsports MathiasenOrecaGabriel AUBRYLMP23:33.1264
30Duqueine TeamOrecaRené BINDERLMP23:33.52411
32United AutosportsOrecaNicolas JAMINLMP23:33.6584
49High Class RacingOrecaKevin MAGNUSSENLMP23:33.6803
70Realteam RacingOrecaLoïc DUVALLMP23:33.7584
20High Class RacingOrecaRicky TAYLORLMP23:33.8394
21DragonSpeed USAOrecaBen HANLEYLMP23:33.8794
25G-Drive RacingAurusRoberto MERHILMP23:33.9325
34Inter Europol CompetitionOrecaAlex BRUNDLELMP23:33.94111
1Richard Mille Racing TeamOrecaSophia FLOERSCHLMP23:34.2566
38JOTAOrecaAnthony DAVIDSONLMP23:34.47811
28JOTAOrecaSean GELAELLMP23:34.7344
26G-Drive RacingAurusRoman RUSINOVLMP23:34.8725
44ARC BratislavaOrecaOliver WEBBLMP23:35.7834
84Association SRT41OrecaMatthieu LAHAYEINNOVATIVE CAR3:37.1714
39SO24-Dirob by GraffOrecaVincent CAPILLAIRELMP23:37.4693
17IDEC SportOrecaRyan DALZIELLMP23:38.0956
74Racing Team India EurasiaLigierJames WINSLOWLMP23:39.7057
92Porsche GT TeamPorscheKevin ESTRELMGTE Pro3:52.9016
91Porsche GT TeamPorscheGianmaria BRUNILMGTE Pro3:52.9046
79WeatherTech RacingPorscheEarl BAMBERLMGTE Pro3:52.9385
51AF CorseFerrariJames CALADOLMGTE Pro3:53.0804
52AF CorseFerrariMiguel MOLINALMGTE Pro3:53.0915
72Hub Auto RacingPorscheDries VANTHOORLMGTE Pro3:53.2214
64Corvette RacingChevroletTommy MILNERLMGTE Pro3:53.44014
63Corvette RacingChevroletNicky CATSBURGLMGTE Pro3:54.2814
99Proton CompetitionPorscheHarry TINCKNELLLMGTE Am3:54.4725
56Team Project 1PorscheRiccardo PERALMGTE Am3:54.50214
66JMW MotorsportFerrariJody FANNINLMGTE Am3:54.5305
88Dempsey - Proton RacingPorscheJulien ANDLAUERLMGTE Am3:54.6195
71Inception RacingFerrariBen BARNICOATLMGTE Am3:54.6217
86GR RacingPorscheTom GAMBLELMGTE Am3:54.66810
388Rinaldi RacingFerrariJeroen BLEEKEMOLENLMGTE Am3:54.9034
55Spirit of RaceFerrariDavid PERELLMGTE Am3:54.9838
18Absolute RacingPorscheAlessio PICARIELLOLMGTE Am3:55.0113
47Cetilar RacingFerrariGiorgio SERNAGIOTTOLMGTE Am3:55.1968
57Kessel RacingFerrariMikkel JENSENLMGTE Am3:55.22414
54AF CorseFerrariFrancesco CASTELLACCILMGTE Am3:55.2735
80Iron LynxFerrariCallum ILOTTLMGTE Am3:55.5538
69Herberth MotorsportPorscheRobert RENAUERLMGTE Am3:55.5955
85Iron LynxFerrariMichelle GATTINGLMGTE Am3:55.61410
98Aston Martin RacingAston MartinMarcos GOMESLMGTE Am3:55.7106
777D'Station RacingAston MartinTomonobu FUJIILMGTE Am3:55.8666
77Dempsey - Proton RacingPorscheJaxon EVANSLMGTE Am3:55.8957
60Iron LynxFerrariPaolo RUBERTILMGTE Am3:56.1867
46Team Project 1PorscheDennis OLSENLMGTE Am3:56.1905
83AF CorseFerrariFrançois PERRODOLMGTE Am3:56.19716
33TF SportAston MartinBen KEATINGLMGTE Am3:56.8957
95TF SportAston MartinOliver HANCOCKLMGTE Am3:57.6565

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Everyone's favorite topic. Stint Lengths!

There were some long runs, almost exclusively in the second session.

Of these long runs all of them had at least one slow lap (defined here as 10% longer than the fastest lap of that car - so about 21s for LMP).

Number in brackets are number of slow laps in the stint, excluding the out-lap. x show how many stints.

LMP1
13 lap stints
Toyota #8 x1 (4)

12 lap stints
Toyota #7 x3 (1,2,2); the FL for this car was set in stint with only one slow lap
Toyota #8 x1 (1)
Glickenhaus #708 x1 (1)

no 10 or 11 lap stints

9 lap stint
Glickenhaus #708 x1 (2)

8 lap stint
Alpine #36 x2 (1,2)

The most the Glickenhaus #709 did was 7.
The next highest the Alpine did was 6 laps x3.

So it looks like the ACO have hit their intended 12 lap stints. Although a small question mark remains if they can do it under a flat out stint. Although it is clear that with a little SC
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Alpine has only shown 8 so far, but didn't look like it was trying too hard and you'd have to think at least 10 is on.

Glickenhaus hasn't been trying too hard for stint length too. Presumably concentrating on trying things on the car and sorting niggles (???). Especially on the #709, which was in and out all day.

Going back to the lap times data above. It also seems that no one was doing anything that daft in LMP1 in terms of going for times either. With both Toyota and Glickenhaus setting there time during a long stint (especially with #7).

Unlike in LMP2...

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And LMP2

13 lap stints
United Autosports #23 x1 (5)

12 lap stints
#22 United Autosport x2 (1,2)
#26 G-Drive Racing x2 (4,2)
#32 United Autosport x1 (3)
#34 Inter Europol Competition x1 (4)
#82 Risi Competizione x1 (1)

11 lap stints
There were 41 "stints" of 11 laps by 20 different cars. Only 3 of these were without any "slow" laps. These were:
#30 Duqueine Team (x2)
#34 Inter Europol Competition

And, unlike in Hypercar the fast times came in short stints.

But three teams did set their fastest time within an 11 lap stint. Dunqueine, Inter Europol and JOTA. See table above.

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#84 had a couple of 10 lap "stints", both with several "slow" laps (3, 6).

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Laps completed

And who did the most laps? This is by teams. Obviously you have an advantage here if you have lots of cars.

ClassTeamLaps% most
HYPERCARToyota Gazoo Racing208100%
HYPERCARGlickenhaus Racing13967%
HYPERCARAlpine Elf Matmut8742%
LMP2United Autosports287100%
LMP2Team WRT18866%
LMP2G-Drive Racing17962%
LMP2High Class Racing16357%
LMP2JOTA15855%
LMP2IDEC Sport12343%
LMP2PR1 Motorsports Mathiasen10737%
LMP2Inter Europol Competition9533%
LMP2Racing Team India Eurasia9433%
LMP2ARC Bratislava9031%
LMP2Risi Competizione8931%
LMP2Duqueine Team8931%
LMP2Panis Racing8730%
LMP2Richard Mille Racing Team8630%
LMP2SO24-Dirob by Graff8128%
LMP2Realteam Racing7928%
LMP2Racing Team Nederland7526%
LMP2DragonSpeed USA7426%
INNOVATIVE CARAssociation SRT4171100%
LMGTE ProPorsche GT Team181100%
LMGTE ProAF Corse13474%
LMGTE ProCorvette Racing12368%
LMGTE ProHub Auto Racing8949%
LMGTE ProWeatherTech Racing7240%
LMGTE AmIron Lynx255100%
LMGTE AmDempsey - Proton Racing17067%
LMGTE AmAF Corse16765%
LMGTE AmTeam Project 115862%
LMGTE AmTF Sport11746%
LMGTE AmHerberth Motorsport9738%
LMGTE AmAbsolute Racing9437%
LMGTE AmJMW Motorsport9035%
LMGTE AmProton Competition8935%
LMGTE AmKessel Racing8835%
LMGTE AmAston Martin Racing8634%
LMGTE AmInception Racing8232%
LMGTE AmRinaldi Racing8132%
LMGTE AmCetilar Racing8031%
LMGTE AmSpirit of Race7931%
LMGTE AmD'Station Racing6425%
LMGTE AmGR Racing4116%
 Total5086100%

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