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Old 10 Jan 2010, 15:00 (Ref:2611026)   #251
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Peugeot would love to revisit Suzuka i think.
They had a great race back in 1991 with the 905 (the first edition)
Hmm, I can see Peugeot remembering lucking into a win after Jaguar stumbled. Doesn't of course alter the appeal of LMPs running at Suzuka - it would be a great spectacle.
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Old 10 Jan 2010, 15:09 (Ref:2611029)   #252
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Old 10 Jan 2010, 16:08 (Ref:2611048)   #253
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You also should realize that no world series will happen without major manufacturer backing. With just Audi and Peugeot potentially for 2010, I don't see there being enough of that backing for something like this to work on its own merits. In the Group C era, you had 4-8 automakers at any given time. And there never really were fewer than 4, until 1991 that is. It takes the big bucks to go globetrotting, get together enough cars across the globe to make a decent grid, and effective promotion on such a massive scale isn't cheap either.
Looking back at Group C, that's not strictly true- Up to the last few years, there were rarely more than a couple of regular full-time manufacturers at a time- It was predominantly Porsche v Lancia in the early years, until Jaguar joined in pretty much as Lancia were fading away. The other manufacturers tended to dip in and out, rarely running full-season programmes (the Japanese in particular used to do nothing more than their 'home' round and Le Mans, with Mazda usually also turning up at Silverstone as part of their LM preparations) The bulk of the grid was usually a strong cast of mainly Porsche-mounted privateers, and the 'second-division' C2 class.

The really heavy manufacturer full-season involvement didn't come about until 1989 or so when the Japanese manufacturers started to run the full season, and we had that wonderful few years that saw Jaguar, Mercedes, Aston Martin, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Peugeot etc involved before it started to decline with the FIA's ill-conceived 3.5 litre engine rules

I guess it's a different world now in terms of costs, but a lot of the privateer teams did find the money and sponsors go globetrotting and take in the long-haul trips to Japan etc. The other big difference, of course, was that those privateers could buy a customer car that was good enough, in the right hands, to take on and beat the factory competition-Joest, Brun, Kremer, John Fitzpatrick and Richard Lloyd all beating the factory Porsches from time to time
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Old 10 Jan 2010, 17:33 (Ref:2611083)   #254
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Yes! Thats why i think it's time to move on, to risk, to dare!...
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Old 16 Jan 2010, 16:25 (Ref:2614292)   #255
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Old 20 Jan 2010, 21:31 (Ref:2616578)   #256
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You can see once again the big players want the LMIC, it's needed to push sportscar racing upto the next level, while still trying to protect and grow the regional series.

One manufactuer competing, and dominating, in Europe, while
another does the same in the US, does nothing for the credibility of the sport.
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Old 23 Jan 2010, 04:02 (Ref:2617844)   #257
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Peugeot wont com in 2010. Quesnel is a strong supporter of a world series, but there is no budget after Le Mans, besides for the new LMP
Can we now add possibly the AMR/Fernandez car???
The Oreca 908 would be a welcome addition and add credibility to the LMIC.
For 2011 Toyota could be considered and for 2012 Porsche.
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Old 23 Jan 2010, 18:54 (Ref:2618187)   #258
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Rebellion's program seems pretty huge for 2010, I wouldn't be surprised to see them in it.
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Old 23 Jan 2010, 19:20 (Ref:2618196)   #259
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Right now I'd say all bets are off for potential US entrants until the ALMS sorts itself out.

If the ALMS re-emerges under new management, with fewer rounds, there's the potential at least half could be part of the LMIC.

3 Euro Races
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Old 24 Jan 2010, 14:00 (Ref:2618568)   #260
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Although I think the Intercontinental cup would be a good idea, I hope that the ACO doesn't overdue it. ACO cannot forget that the sport is made up by a large number of low budget and/or privateer teams in the '4' classes and a majority of the teams are regional except for the 24 hours.
If they go all out to please the Manufacturers, they might kill the ALMS and the LMS and end up like the World Sportscar championship in 1993, with a grid of 15 cars or something because noone can afford to fly their cars around the world.

I hope they don't get greedy and start thinking about going to Africa, South America or Australia in the first 5/10 years (the sport, the economy, is not ready for that).

I can understand the feelings of ALMS fans but you can't put it on the ILMS the reason for ALMS' downfall, nor will I put it on the economy. Audi has wanted a world series for a while and even if ACO were to standfast and say "No" to save the regional series, that doesn't guarantee Audi would return. It would better than chances but they could still stay out or just run major races, with the only problem that they wouldn't be able to say they were ALMS or LMS champion, if that holds any leverage.
ALMS needs to promote more privateer racing. But unlike the LMS, ALMS has to fight against Grand-Am to get the privateers. I mean, Grand-Am is close enough to sportscar racing and in Europe there is no rival for LMS so all privateers went there, and it's worked. America is different. For some reason Grand-Am managed to work and just like IRL/CART, something's gotta give or else both are going to be buried.

It's good to see that this year, the calendars of the ALMS and LMS are a bit more harmonized. Not much can be done about July / August, unless the LMS stops racing during those months because ALMS has 5 races in 8/9 weeks. Therefore, 3 LMS races are within a week of an ALMS race. With June blocked out and April/May harmonized, there's not much more room for both series to fit in 8 races between July and September without stepping over each other.
What ACO and the 2 series have to try to do, is push Silverstone later, so not to interrupt the summer schedules (and not include any of the summer races in the ILMS) so that the regional cars will stay in their respective championships, and if the rules are well set (I like the idea of obliging an ILMS team to also commit to one of the 2 regional champs), this could work.

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Old 24 Jan 2010, 14:47 (Ref:2618592)   #261
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Agree - key will be the 2011 LMP2 cars. They have to find a way to controll costs in this new class but still have a good show. This should help ALMS a lot.
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Old 27 Jan 2010, 17:22 (Ref:2620438)   #262
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Sorry if I missed it but, have they said how long the races will be?
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Sorry if I missed it but, have they said how long the races will be?
The races will be whatever they are currently. So PLM will be 1,000 miles or 10 hours, or whenever an act of god occurs.

I believe most of the other races are 1,000km so far, but subject to change.
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Old 27 Jan 2010, 17:27 (Ref:2620441)   #264
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You can see once again the big players want the LMIC, it's needed to push sportscar racing upto the next level, while still trying to protect and grow the regional series.

One manufactuer competing, and dominating, in Europe, while
another does the same in the US, does nothing for the credibility of the sport.

Please provide factual evidence that the big manufacturers (the big players) want the LMIC. We can all agree on Audi, but who else? If you can't back up your statements, please stop making things up.
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Please provide factual evidence that the big manufacturers (the big players) want the LMIC. We can all agree on Audi, but who else? If you can't back up your statements, please stop making things up.
Olivier Quesnel, Director of Peugeot Sport is one of them... he had said more than once that a world championshiop was needed. He aproves the LMIC and said that the only reason they wont do it in 2010 is the lack of budget but he expects to be there in 2011.

Hugues De Chaunac, Oreca CEO is another one...

Those opinion are in the Le Mans oficial website:

Now... do you really believe that with a World Series on the run, Porsche, Toyota or anyone else will just come to do Le Mans?
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If they go all out to please the Manufacturers, they might kill the ALMS and the LMS and end up like the World Sportscar championship in 1993, with a grid of 15 cars or something because noone can afford to fly their cars around the world.
That wasn't the problem in 93... FIA an F1 where the problem... to many manufacturers in Le Mans, too damn less in F1...
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Oreca isn't a major manufacturer. So we'll go with Peugeot and Audi for now, that's it.

Toyota, if they can start selling cars again are said to be interested in North America. Porsche, we shall see.
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Oreca isn't a major manufacturer. So we'll go with Peugeot and Audi for now, that's it.
Is a big privateer... that wants to play with the big boys, and that will have a peugeot powerplant in 2011,so...
Peugeot, Audi, and Aston.... these are the only players by now,so yes, that's it

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Are said.... where? Over there? In the ALMS website? Murphy?

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... and they all will go for the world series, not for the ALMS only or the LMS only. America is a big market, not THE market, so if they can go global, they wont go regional....
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so if they can go global, they wont go regional....
So how does that help build the regional series?
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Oreca isn't a major manufacturer. So we'll go with Peugeot and Audi for now, that's it.

Toyota, if they can start selling cars again are said to be interested in North America. Porsche, we shall see.
Trying so hard to get them out of the showroom quick that they have the throttle sticking?
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I see DTM are holding their season Finale in Shanghai - bearing in mind Audi's involvement is there a chance this could be combined weekend with LMIC??

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Would be the obvious thing to do, but bear in mind it will be a street track not the F1 circuit.
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So how does that help build the regional series?
It doesn't...

The problem is, and the options are:
1. A global series with all the best LMP1 Teams, privateers and manufacturers with races in Europe and America and eventually Asia (that's enough), and strong regional series with LMP2 and GT fields.
2. A cock fight between ALMS or LMS to "who haves more manufacturers engaged"!.... like it as been until now. And may the "best" (biggest and more appealing regional market) wins...

As the things are actually, i don't see any manufacturer to do simultaneously the ALMS and the LMS...

With the LMIC, LMP1 teams will go to Europe and America anyway, not all the races (50/50 plus asia) but the european fans and the american fans can enjoy to see them in the biggest races.... not only by TV...
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Well I certainly hope you enjoy the ACO's future series, Le Mans Intracontinental Cup.




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It doesn't...

The problem is, and the options are:
1. A global series with all the best LMP1 Teams, privateers and manufacturers with races in Europe and America and eventually Asia (that's enough), and strong regional series with LMP2 and GT fields.
2. A cock fight between ALMS or LMS to "who haves more manufacturers engaged"!.... like it as been until now. And may the "best" (biggest and more appealing regional market) wins...

As the things are actually, i don't see any manufacturer to do simultaneously the ALMS and the LMS...

With the LMIC, LMP1 teams will go to Europe and America anyway, not all the races (50/50 plus asia) but the european fans and the american fans can enjoy to see them in the biggest races.... not only by TV...
Why do manufacturers have to compete as teams to begin with? Rather, make cars available to privateers to race anywhere.
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