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Old 11 Jun 2018, 21:36 (Ref:3828516)   #2011
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Now there's a rule written in the rules that Toyota have to be automatically faster, rather than have them be naturally faster due to being a factory effort.
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No, once again, the rules are setup so that the privateers have a very distinct advantage over Toyota in almost every area. Even with those advantages they won't be as fast as Toyota, because Toyota are 'naturally' faster. Also, once again, the privateers can be penalized if they give the ACO false information that the EoT is based upon. Daygs does a good job of muddying the waters as much as possible as usual.

And it's not BoP.
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Old 11 Jun 2018, 22:33 (Ref:3828526)   #2012
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Yet you have a driver going on record (irrespective of the site) saying that if they go as fast or faster than Toyota they can get penalized. However, that's the first that I've heard of it being a drive through or stop and go penalty. The penalty as I read it, at the officials' discretion, is a reduction of fuel allotment for the rest of the race.

Should Toyota be faster? Going by the Audi, Peugeot, Porsche, et al examples, yes, they should be. They're the one's with the $100 million program vs private teams with a fraction of that. But this is the first time ever that I've read in a rule book that a factory team should automatically be faster per rules, to the tune of .5 of a second around Le Mans.

Of course, how the ACO do intend to measure this is interesting, by basing it off the fastest 20 laps over a given period of time. Where the waters actually get muddy there is that the ACO will have to take into account track conditions (such as weather), FCYs, slow zones, pace car situations, etc.

No matter how you do split it, the ACO have an unenviable job, no matter how we may rip on them for seemingly sometimes saying one thing and either doing another or back tracking on it.

But then again, and I know that I'll catch flak for this, but even Daily Sports Car are guilty of sometimes using headlines to get clicks, like with the Fillion Hints at 2020/2024 regs. I didn't read anything there that I didn't read elsewhere, aside from Fillion taking a dig at Audi Sport and Porsche for bringing in high tech at a high cost--ironically what the ACO wanted them to do at the time.

And oddly, the ACO by 2020/21 want to get rid of EOT and basically replace it with BOP. But that's a discussion for another thread.
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Old 11 Jun 2018, 23:53 (Ref:3828540)   #2013
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No, once again, the rules are setup so that the privateers have a very distinct advantage over Toyota in almost every area. Even with those advantages they won't be as fast as Toyota, because Toyota are 'naturally' faster. Also, once again, the privateers can be penalized if they give the ACO false information that the EoT is based upon. Daygs does a good job of muddying the waters as much as possible as usual.

And it's not BoP.
People just need to read the regulations. It would be clear to them but a lot don't do that, then you have guys like Dagys and co. on top of race drivers who seemingly didn't read the rules either say things like they're "not allowed" to go faster than Toyota. They can try their best to do that, that's what the ACO wants. That way it's easier for the rules makers to set EOT so that they are close (within half a second) of Toyota. The wording doesn't say anything about not being allowed to come close or pass Toyota on track. These stories make it seem like that's the case. It's a rule written in to make the teams not sandbag. Because if they do and then they find some magical pace and say a Rebellion throws down a 3:12 at Le Mans, they've been playing the rule makers for fools. Toyota could go a lot faster than it is now but they've been slowed down for 3(?) years in a row. I think these guys will make a race out of it. I don't want to talk conspiracy but I think some in the media are trying to play down a Toyota win which is a big disservice to the series and it's runners.
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Old 12 Jun 2018, 00:05 (Ref:3828543)   #2014
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I don't want to talk conspiracy but I think some in the media are trying to play down a Toyota win which is a big disservice to the series and it's runners.

Why would they do that in first place?



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Everybody expects them to win, no one knows if they will That's the beauty of the future, it's yet to take place.
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Old 12 Jun 2018, 01:08 (Ref:3828550)   #2016
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And oddly, the ACO by 2020/21 want to get rid of EOT and basically replace it with BOP.
That's not even close to determined yet.
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Can't believe that it is written in the rules that if the Rebellion is faster, they get a drive through. What happens if the conditions change and they have a set up more suited to those?

Even if the Rebellions are around 0.5 to 1 second a lap slower, they have a great chance to win as cars have won the race in the past with larger speed deficits
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Yet you have a driver going on record (irrespective of the site) saying that if they go as fast or faster than Toyota they can get penalized. However, that's the first that I've heard of it being a drive through or stop and go penalty. The penalty as I read it, at the officials' discretion, is a reduction of fuel allotment for the rest of the race.
That was a really smart choice of words, nice PR stunt to make them look like the underdogs and favourites for the fans. But in reality they can not be quicker because they showed the performance in testing and they can not cheat and show more performance in race. Simple as that.

Privateers were given a very generous EOT brake, with those rules a manufacture effort would wipe out the competition. So it should be obvious that they can not be faster than Toyota, but I hope they will be on-pair and breathing down hard on Toyota neck, pushing them to "destruction"
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Old 12 Jun 2018, 15:34 (Ref:3828672)   #2022
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Maybe so but I think the #11 BR1 Dallara of Button/Aleshin/Petrov will challenge the Rebellions for sure.
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Maybe so but I think the #11 BR1 Dallara of Button/Aleshin/Petrov will challenge the Rebellions for sure.
Yep, right up until that AER goes bang...
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Quite! AER will provide spectacular fireworks during the night, and for free of charge, that's for sure
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Quite! AER will provide spectacular fireworks during the night, and for free of charge, that's for sure
Beyond a likely AER fail, dallare solved a severe undercar aero issue with just a pair of winglets.... I expect something like this too:

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