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Old 12 Nov 2014, 20:22 (Ref:3474043)   #661
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Rebellion tweeted that they are travelling with "three cars"... so unless that third is a street limo for luxury, they have one extra mule with them just in case, on top of the spares? Strange. Maybe they show it off for potential customers. Or it's the old Lola dragged with them for display purposes like at LM.
There was a series of tweets from the team before the cars were shipped to CoTA and they mentioned four cars there: the two R-One race cars, a R-One spare tub and one of the old Lolas for display purposes.
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Old 13 Nov 2014, 15:53 (Ref:3474268)   #662
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More case study of maximum straight line speed not directly corresponding with lap times as Rebellions had 30km/h faster top speed than those of Porsche, yet 3-4 seconds down from their best laps...

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Old 13 Nov 2014, 16:47 (Ref:3474288)   #663
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Audi fastest of the P1-H cars, and Porsche struggling to do 260 clicks down that front straight. What's going on!?
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Old 13 Nov 2014, 18:10 (Ref:3474312)   #664
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More case study of maximum straight line speed not directly corresponding with lap times as Rebellions had 30km/h faster top speed than those of Porsche, yet 3-4 seconds down from their best laps...

Shades of the old days of ALMS when the Intersport Lola with massive restrictor breaks could fly down straights way way faster than anyone else - just couldn't go round corners.

One likes to think that Rebellion are aspiring to a little more than this.
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Old 13 Nov 2014, 23:26 (Ref:3474407)   #666
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Shades of the old days of ALMS when the Intersport Lola with massive restrictor breaks could fly down straights way way faster than anyone else - just couldn't go round corners.

One likes to think that Rebellion are aspiring to a little more than this.
It isn't a secret that the Rebellion and CLM are very under developed compared to the factory cars, and are therefore faster in a straight line and much slower through the corners.
Not a question of aspiration really, more a question of finance and time.
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They were also fastest in FP2 speed traps, but the time gap to front was even more gigantic. Lotus figures look like Le Mans factory-privateer lap time differences.

Well I guess at LM Rebellion will have bit of a more of edge...

Oh and the old lovely Lola AERs, either awesome for couple of minutes before exploding, or just totally off the pace
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Theyve been slightly closing the gap, but a big area where they lose out is acceleration. No 4wd for them. No 1000hp. But the top speed shows they coast a lot less, so theyre allowed to use more fuel per lap. They dont go nearly as far either. Sometimes 2 less laps per stint.
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Not advancing on light speed really.

Fastest Rebellion Q lap in comparison to overall pole sitter (averages)
Round 1) +1,511 seconds on 5,891km circuit (old Lola)
Round 2) +13,736 seconds on 7,004 km circuit (R-One debut)
Round 3) +7,974 seconds on 13,629km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 4) +5,572 seconds on 5,513km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 5) +4,865 seconds on 4,563 km circuit after mechanical gremlins (new BoP breaks)
Round 6) +4,131 seconds on 5,451 km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 7) +3,902 seconds on 5,412 km circuit
Round 8) N/A

Highest Rebellion finisher in comparison to overall winner
Round 1) +8 laps on 5,891km circuit (old Lola)
Round 2) +10 laps on 7,004 km circuit (R-One debut)
Round 3) +19 laps on 13,629km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 4) +8 laps on 5,513km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 5) +121 laps on 4,563 km circuit after mechanical gremlins etc (new BoP breaks)
Round 6) +8 laps on 5,451 km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 7) +7 laps on 5,412 km circuit
Round 8) N/A
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Old 16 Nov 2014, 19:24 (Ref:3475541)   #670
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Not advancing on light speed really.

Fastest Rebellion Q lap in comparison to overall pole sitter (averages)
Round 1) +1,511 seconds on 5,891km circuit (old Lola)
Round 2) +13,736 seconds on 7,004 km circuit (R-One debut)
Round 3) +7,974 seconds on 13,629km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 4) +5,572 seconds on 5,513km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 5) +4,865 seconds on 4,563 km circuit after mechanical gremlins (new BoP breaks)
Round 6) +4,131 seconds on 5,451 km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 7) +3,902 seconds on 5,412 km circuit
Round 8) N/A

Highest Rebellion finisher in comparison to overall winner
Round 1) +8 laps on 5,891km circuit (old Lola)
Round 2) +10 laps on 7,004 km circuit (R-One debut)
Round 3) +19 laps on 13,629km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 4) +8 laps on 5,513km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 5) +121 laps on 4,563 km circuit after mechanical gremlins etc (new BoP breaks)
Round 6) +8 laps on 5,451 km circuit (new BoP breaks)
Round 7) +7 laps on 5,412 km circuit
Round 8) N/A
It should be noted, that the LMP1H cars are progressing also, so it is a huge task for Rebellion to become more competitive.
I really respect the Rebellion teams willingness to compete at this highest level.
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True, but the performance adjustments should counter balance for the works team upgrades (which towards the end of the season should be minimal anyway). The gap's come down a little bit, but for them to achieve anything overall in regular race it still requires for works cars to either retire or stay in the garage for 10 laps, plus for Rebellion to have perfect run on top of that.

Regardless - and even if their start of the season goals haven't gone to plan - it's commitment worth of saluting, year after year
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Still a new car to them. I think next year theyll be down to 780kg based on what Bart Hayden claims that 775kg is the lowest it could go. Some more development and a bit more breaks it could be there. Lmp2 is not much slower (the Ligier at least). Gap is smaller between them than to the hybrid cars so far. I think the lmp2 ligier is possibly more developed. I wonder how the Dome will fair.
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If the ACO lowers the minimum weight to 775kg, the "Lotus" would be 100kg overweight (if they cannot lower theirs) in comparison to R-One
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If the ACO lowers the minimum weight to 775kg, the "Lotus" would be 100kg overweight (if they cannot lower theirs) in comparison to R-One
Its up to them to get their car down to the minimum weight. Unless they go to the fia/aco for special bop.
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Its up to them to get their car down to the minimum weight. Unless they go to the fia/aco for special bop.
That's what I meant, before it had been impossible (for the lack of better word) for Kodewa to decrease the weight of CLM to the level rules currently allow, so if ACO were to decrease the privateer weight to 775kg that'd prove even more problematic for 'Lotus'

As for 'special bop', I don't think there's been model-specific BoP in privateer (petrol) LMP1 for quite a few years now. Some in ALMS in the latter yes, but in ACO not so much. Which is as it should be, it's better for there to be class wide adjustments rather than model specific, makes it purer
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