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Old 12 Dec 2019, 09:48 (Ref:3946288)   #16
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Oreca is ending operational support with Toyota after Le Mans for Peugeot. Toyota-Joest anyone?
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Old 12 Dec 2019, 13:46 (Ref:3946320)   #17
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Believe as you want, but it is Toyota

Aston Martin are not in a strong company financial position to be dictating much to anyone anymore.
It's not always about the money, AM had good negotiating position "If we don't like it, then we will not enter"
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Old 12 Dec 2019, 15:16 (Ref:3946335)   #18
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And we have to remember that the ACO have had a recent history of pandering to OEMs and that such OEMs tend to get what they want. Especially as it seems that not just AMR but now Peugeot are on board for Hypercar.
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Old 12 Dec 2019, 15:52 (Ref:3946345)   #19
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It's not always about the money, AM had good negotiating position "If we don't like it, then we will not enter"
That's the golden ticket of lobbying
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Old 12 Dec 2019, 17:37 (Ref:3946367)   #20
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If Toyota had it their way, there wouldn't be an Aston Martin Valkyrie entering next season. They were all signed up for 3 ers's and 10mj+ of electric energy per lap at Le Mans. Now they have to limit their hybrid to 250kw and only are allowed 1 ers on the car unless they make a production version.
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Also if Toyota had their way Audi Sport and Porsche would still be in LMP1. They do want to race against other OEMs as well as race a hybrid. Getting AMR onboard, even with the LMP1 Hypercar concessions, is better than nothing or having to wait until 2022 for Peugeot.

Also, TMG were trying to lobby for reduced costs or other ways of rationalizing costs. Hypercar in theory allows for significant budget cuts, as well as rationalizing costs by possibly selling customer cars. Other than having the best package, why do you think Oreca is happy with LMP2? Oreca has probably made a ton of Euros off sales of the Oreca 07 and support packages. And that's what AMR also pushed for since they want to have customer teams in hypercar, and I'd think that Toyota might also jump at the right opportunity.
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Believe as you want, but it is Toyota

Aston Martin are not in a strong company financial position to be dictating much to anyone anymore.
Had they not greenlighted the program hypercar regs wouldn't have happened or they would be still in a limbo.

So I'd say that's a pretty strong position to get the regs changed to their liking.
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If Toyota had it their way, there wouldn't be an Aston Martin Valkyrie entering next season. They were all signed up for 3 ers's and 10mj+ of electric energy per lap at Le Mans. Now they have to limit their hybrid to 250kw and only are allowed 1 ers on the car unless they make a production version.
Had Toyota known for sure Peugeot was officially entering 2022 by the time regulations were re-re-re-written to accommodate the needs and limitations of AMR, I suspect they would've been more strongly opposed to changing anything. Perhaps even threatened leaving. But now they just went along with it because they didn't only want to compete against Glickenhaus, Kolles and old P1s while waiting of nothing concrete
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Old 15 Dec 2019, 15:46 (Ref:3946866)   #24
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It's not always about the money, AM had good negotiating position "If we don't like it, then we will not enter"
IT IS "ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY"

No money to spend with the ACO, no interest from the ACO. They do not care if Le Mans runs with pedal cars, so long as there is BIG money in it for them.

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Old 15 Dec 2019, 15:50 (Ref:3946869)   #25
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Had they not greenlighted the program hypercar regs wouldn't have happened or they would be still in a limbo.

So I'd say that's a pretty strong position to get the regs changed to their liking.
Really?

The program being "Green lit", is entirely based on other people's funding coming into the deal. Wait and see.

Reg changes easily happen with greased palms, or at least with the ''promise'' of greased palms to come.
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That article shows screen grabs from this YouTube video I believe...
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Not really a huge fan of the way it looks currently. But I think it'll change a little bit. Hopefully the hypercar-lmp is more like a race car (which I think will be).
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