Group C cars list

[Alex Hodgkinson]

Hi there everyone,

I'm trying to compile a complete list of all the Group C/GTP cars that ever raced or tested.

What I've got listed so far is here

If you have any cars to add to my list, or questions to ask I'd be really greatful if you'd do so.

Thanks,

Alex

[Splendid Cat]

If anybody can be bothered to update / correct all these lists then either:

a) You need a girlfriend
b) You hate your girlfriend / wife

[Adam43]

Could be worse, he could be really into something extremely sad like Capital Ships from the early 20th century.

Alex that sounds like a good little project. Unfortunately the link doesn't work for me How complete do you think you are at the moment.

I also presume you know of this site: http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo_wcm.html

[Dauer 962]

From a first, quick look your list is pretty incomplete and has some mistakes: Porsche 962 was the GTP car, not the Group C, the Group C was 962C. The Porsche 936 was a Group 6 car, only the modified Joest Porsche 936C had a roof and was eligible for Group C.

You missed the Nissan P35 and the Jaguar XJR-17 and also the three other versions of the Peugeot 905 beside the mentioned 905 Evo bis. Also the last Spice Group C, don’t remember the name, is missing.

The mentioned March 92S doesn’t exists as real car, only a model existed or still exists

[Alex Hodgkinson]

List updated accordingly. Thanks for the help guys.

Adam, it should be ok now, I just had a little trouble earlier. I do know of that site yes, but thankyou anyway. I've been working my way through it adding the various cars to my lists.

If anybody can think of any more speak up !


Erm.. yeah thanks Splendid Cat

[fausto]

you can get some infos&help here:
http://gto-racing.nexenservices.com/

[Nordic]

A quick check of 83 shows -
The Jag XJR-5 was the Grp 44 car and should be GTP
Rondeau M379 also raced as C2
Is the Ford 83C more normally known as a C100?
Tiga GC284 - C2
1984
Cougar C12 Porsche

I think there is quite a bit of work to be done, the RSC site is going to give you most of the answers, good luck.

[John Turner]

Alex, you might find Michael Cotton's 'Directory of World Sportscars Group C and IMSA Cars from 1982' published in 1988, helpful, if you haven't already got a copy.

When the Sportscar folks have finished with it, it might be worth moving the thread to Motorsport History to see if you get any more comment/info!

[KA]

Originally Posted by John Turner

Alex, you might find Michael Cotton's 'Directory of World Sportscars Group C and IMSA Cars from 1982' published in 1988, helpful, if you haven't already got a copy.
When the Sportscar folks have finished with it, it might be worth moving the thread to Motorsport History to see if you get any more comment/info!

Also, if you can get hold of a copy, it's worth looking at Endurance Racing 1982-1991 by Ian Briggs, published by Osprey in 1992, which has a directory of cars raced (and a few which didn't...)betwen 1982-90

[The Badger]

You could also add the RLR 962C Gti . That was certainly radical enough from the normal 962 .

[PascaLM]

a WM raced alsoin C2, I can't remember the year.

[JAG]

The XJR-16 was a GTP car, it was a development of the XJR-10 with a biplane rear wing like the XJR-14.

The XJR-17 was an IMSA Lights car. It was basically a non turbo XJR-10 with an XJR-14 front.

Theres also the XJR-12D, which is a Daytona 24hr car. I believe the '93 XJR-12D was a Group C model developed for Le Mans that year, but never raced. It ran Daytona '93.

All three of the above mentioned cars race in the Group C/GTP series.

http://www.groupc-gtpracing.com/news.htm

[Alex Hodgkinson]

Thanks guys, you're loads of help

I've updated the list accordingly & I'm in persuit of all of the books you mentioned.


Alex

[Adam43]

What total number of cars do you think they'll be? It'll be interesting to see how many there were over the ten or so years of Group C.

[Alex Hodgkinson]

So far I have 337!! List is not complete though - I'd expect that at least another 20 need to be added.

[rdjones]

I have just looked at the Group C/GTP Racing calander on there website and I am not going to get to see them this year which a real shame. Its always great to see these fantastic cars.

[Adam43]

I tend to catch them once or twice a year. The racing gets better each time I see them as all get used to the cars and they become more confident in driving them and working on them. Each time they are less like museum pieces and more like racing cars once again.

[BertMk2]

I might make the Brands date this year. I saw the cars at Donington a few years ago and they were pretty thin on the ground but even so they still have immense presence and really grab your attention.

[David L]

No such thing as a Lancia LC3.. Good spot that that LC1 was turned into a private Gp C car though..

Of the top of my head, I think you missed..

Konrad km/011
Mazda mxr-01
lola t92/10
toyota ts010
mazda rx-792p
kudzu dg2
eagle mk3
nissan ntp cars
gebhardt c91
argo jm 19d
toms bb-90r
brun c91 judd
zakspeed
royale
roc-chevron
the 3.5 litre mercedes
Spice SE90 and 91 3.5 litre cars
intrepids
ford mustang/probe
fabcar
denali
cheverolet corvette gtp
BMW (March 86G with BMW engine running as BMW)

I'm suprised at that list as there are quite a few significant cars in there..

There must be a good few of the small, one-off's that I've missed though and the devil will be in the detail, no doubt..

Oooh yeah, just forgot, I think the old Lancia LC2 ran as "Mussato Action Car" some time in '89 or so..

[Nordic]

Alot of the 3500 Grp C cars on you list are on Alex's list, under the 3.5 section.

Did Zakspeed ever make a grp C car? Ithought it was just a C100 with 4 cly turbo engine.

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

I tend to catch them once or twice a year. The racing gets better each time I see them as all get used to the cars and they become more confident in driving them and working on them. Each time they are less like museum pieces and more like racing cars once again.

I felt the same 2 years ago at Le Mans when the support race was Group C . The qualifying was abismal to say the least and wasnt the way that I remembered them being driven . So , i didnt bother going to see the support race which turned out to be a real hum dinger from what i heard later !!!

Love those cars

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by David L

Oooh yeah, just forgot, I think the old Lancia LC2 ran as "Mussato Action Car" some time in '89 or so..

Inaction car you mean ..... it didnt move very much !!!

[The Badger]

Sehcar which might have turned into a Brun and the Brun "Bombien" Porsche 962C , but that is maybe a bit too 962ish ? But it was massivily Carbon Fibre which the factory didnt use .

Can you post an "updated" list please .

[David L]

Originally Posted by Nordic

Alot of the 3500 Grp C cars on you list are on Alex's list, under the 3.5 section.

Did Zakspeed ever make a grp C car? Ithought it was just a C100 with 4 cly turbo engine.

Right.. I didn't spot the seperate 3.5 litre section.. apologies to alex..

The Zakspeed is the same car you mention.. The Southgate developed C100 chassis with a 1.7 turbo instead of the DFL. It raced as the Zakspeed Ford C1/4. When they put in a 3.3 DFL later, it raced as the Zakspeed C8..

[David L]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Inaction car you mean ..... it didnt move very much !!!

Beached in the gravel trap at the Donington Chicane is how I remeber it.. '89, if I remeber correctly.. and just how on earth did one keep going that long...

..athough I seem to remember it making it to the '90 24hrs as well.. ??

Whatever, I recall thinking, at the time, what a s***e end the whole "inaction car" episode was to the career of one of the most beatiful (but fragile) of the C cars..