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12 Dec 2003, 16:36 (Ref:810356)
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Its nice to see that the dailysportscar Ed's labours this week haven't been in vain - he's clearly distributed a fair amount of pre-christmas cheer here!!
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12 Dec 2003, 18:05 (Ref:810440)
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Yes you are right; they may just stay home altogether...
Not according to the press release |
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12 Dec 2003, 18:13 (Ref:810447)
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This only further confirms my worries about the future of the ALMS, and why there should be an world championship with around 8 rounds, rather than a seperate ELMS and ALMS. It seems to me all the decent prototypes will be racing exclusively in Europe (with the exception of perhaps Sebring and PLM).
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12 Dec 2003, 18:41 (Ref:810468)
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very true...all of the top notch prototype teams excluding Intersport, Dyson and Champion will be racing in the land of the Euro.
The ALMS just does not seem to be ceasing the momentum surrounding sportscar racing right now...the FIA GT and LMES are much stronger series currently. |
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12 Dec 2003, 19:39 (Ref:810491)
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Maybe it's better for ALMS to have only GTS en GT cars (like FIA GT).
European prototype racing is booming! 
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12 Dec 2003, 19:41 (Ref:810493)
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Given 3 years of racing and losing against the Audis, I'm sure you'd see some drop off in interest. Perhaps with it happening so close to home, ACO will see the need for better competitor support than what they've given up 'til now. |
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12 Dec 2003, 21:32 (Ref:810558)
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Well I've been away a week or so and come back to more GREAT news regarding LMES entries.
I was always convinced Euro teams wanted to compete in LMP1-2, but did not have a series, in Europe, of sufficient stature to attract sponsors, drivers, investment etc. to these pottential teams. I've banged on about this for the last 2-3 years and its great to finally see the ACO/Ratel taking the initiative and putting together a super attractive series. The series has already got over its first major hurdle by attracting 'new' LMP teams such as RML, Saturn, Rollcentre, Creation etc, etc. into the protoytpe ranks. The next step is to attract the manufactuers back to LMPs which I am convinced will happen. Teams want to compete in LMP and so it is enevitable manufactuers, both specialist racing and major, will return in time. Just as importantly its great to see new GTS and GT manufactuers entering the LMES such as TVR, Morgan, Spyker etc. One point to ALMS fans miffed at the revival of sportscars in Europe and the struggles of the ALMS. As I've said previously the ALMS has been up and running for a number of years now and many LMP teams were scared off when the V12 LMR and R8 arrived. These teams have not returned. In Europe however the teams have been able to sit back and observe the ALMS situation and choose there LMPs much more carefully fully aware of the capabilities of the R8s. These teams will not be scared of after one year as happened in the LMES in 1999/2000. |
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12 Dec 2003, 21:41 (Ref:810569)
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Not to mention that the R8s are no longer moving targets - their factory development cycle is done, and privateer teams won't be allowed to do anything else. (Unless Audi gets embarrassed by, say, a charging Lister or Dallara which does get developed, and then has a change of heart.)
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13 Dec 2003, 00:21 (Ref:810658)
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further work with the R8's will probably be dependent upon that, as the present slate of projects for VAG seem more towards the passenger cars (A4(DTM), A6Quattro(SWC-GT), Lambo Murcialago GT-R(FIA GT) ).
It becomes a more well-rounded field with Audi, DOME, Courage/Pescorolo, DBA-04, Lola/MG, Debora, Reynard, Lister and others, most powered by Judd engines. With time, and lucrative offers, there may be some future powertrain deals with major manufacturers willing to be part of the show. In some ways, there may be an alternative here to Formula 1 once again, in terms of having the engineering expertise of many auto companies on display. Looks like Mr Panoz was right, some 3 years later, about the possibilities of an euro-ALMS taking shape.
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13 Dec 2003, 17:16 (Ref:811031)
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Just one thing about the Pescarolo's Courage evo : Peugeot/Pescarolo's negociations are still going on, and if they succeed we'll have one good news and one bad :
- Henri's going to have a budget - Henri's going to have a Peugeot's engine again...  *Ahem* |
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13 Dec 2003, 17:27 (Ref:811043)
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that is indeed a bad news ..
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13 Dec 2003, 17:30 (Ref:811044)
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Rollcentre Racing buys Oreca's Dallaras!
Is is me who hasen't followed the sportscar scene enough or is this relatively new to you guys? Just read it on a danish motorsport site!
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13 Dec 2003, 17:32 (Ref:811046)
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 Huh, Seiko, I have to merged this one, you're late : watch the "LMES entry list and Oreca Dallaras" thread... Please check at least the last ten thread before opening a new one !  (I'm kidding, no offense)
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13 Dec 2003, 17:37 (Ref:811054)
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Oups! Sorry mate
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13 Dec 2003, 17:39 (Ref:811055)
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that's okay, Seiko. Welcome.
Here's hope that, at least, they give Henri better engines.
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13 Dec 2003, 17:48 (Ref:811061)
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especially when there's great news involved...
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13 Dec 2003, 18:06 (Ref:811068)
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I'm not "miffed" at all about the improvements to the prototype class in Europe. I think it's great. The problem is that it does little or nothing to benifit racing in North America. As US series for GTS and GT cars is just not as interesting to me as one with LeMans caliber prototypes, should IMSA go that way.
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13 Dec 2003, 18:19 (Ref:811080)
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I do belive the ALMS has been pegged up somewhat by Euro teams/manufactuers due to there being no Euro equivalent.
Now its time for the ALMS to stand on its own two feet, and for US manufactuers to back the series. Or are they too busy with there NASCAR programs? |
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13 Dec 2003, 19:33 (Ref:811127)
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Jag:
I don't think the ALMS can really stand on it's own two feet. It seems that most of the US companies are far more willing to support nA$$kawr and drag racing than sportscars. |
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13 Dec 2003, 21:52 (Ref:811209)
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On the LMP1 front the more significant story may well be the other dsc scoop on Friday, the upgrades to the Lister LMP - this now looks a very convincing project indeed.
There may be positive news too fairly soon on a new engine supplier for an existing LMP runner! |
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13 Dec 2003, 21:58 (Ref:811214)
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I must I saw the pics of the Lister and I have to say it looks spot on. I have feeling that it might make a big impression in the LMES next year.
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13 Dec 2003, 21:59 (Ref:811216)
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Hey Graham, i suppose your not going to tell us about this new engine either
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