whither Racing For Holland?

tblincoe · 26 Oct 2004, 16:58 (Ref:1136824)

so where did Racing For Holland go? is there any news or updates on what this team plans on doing for 2005 and beyond?

Wout · 26 Oct 2004, 17:22 (Ref:1136853)

Lammers recently said there will be some announcements soon. They have been busy with their new workshop (see article on janlammers.com).

vandijk · 1 Nov 2004, 12:19 (Ref:1141986)

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Originally posted by tblincoe
so where did Racing For Holland go? is there any news or updates on what this team plans on doing for 2005 and beyond?

tblincoe, I hope they will tell more at their tracday we have been invited to. I have heard some exciting rumours though which I have not been able to verify yet. Still on holiday...

**FIRE** · 1 Nov 2004, 16:25 (Ref:1142142)

Lammers visited Dome in Japan last week. See full article www.janlammers.com (only in Dutch)

tblincoe · 1 Nov 2004, 16:51 (Ref:1142158)

hopefully this means that Dome is currently working on a new LMP1 and that RfH will run the car... i think it was pretty dumb of lammers to not run in the LMES in 04 for the reasons he gave. hope he is able to reverse his mistake and run in 05!

**FIRE** · 1 Nov 2004, 17:37 (Ref:1142196)

If you haven't the money you can't race.

Wout · 1 Nov 2004, 17:56 (Ref:1142212)

You're right, Fire. Accoording to the 'Ask-Jan' section (only Dutch) the only reason for not competing in LMES in 2004 was lack of money. They would love to do LMES in 2005 but all depends on funds.

btw. I don't think Dome is working on a new car: Dome is doing a lot of windtunneltesting for 'new technical updates' on the car.

Fab · 1 Nov 2004, 18:23 (Ref:1142228)

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Originally posted by vandijk
tblincoe, I hope they will tell more at their tracday we have been invited to. I have heard some exciting rumours though which I have not been able to verify yet. Still on holiday...

Howdy, Sander ! How was it in South-East Asia ?

Any solid things expected from Holland ? What d'you think ?

**FIRE** · 1 Nov 2004, 20:01 (Ref:1142300)

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Originally posted by Wout
btw. I don't think Dome is working on a new car: Dome is doing a lot of windtunneltesting for 'new technical updates' on the car.

That's the same I concluded after reading the article.

paul-collins · 1 Nov 2004, 20:30 (Ref:1142327)

Hybrid?

pirenzo · 1 Nov 2004, 21:04 (Ref:1142357)

Somehow I don't think it'll be quite like that. More like just a further development. Not like the Pesca Courage or anything.
Have RfH been having lots of money issues lately then?
I agree though it would be good to see them in the LMES, but not if that means the funds for LM in future years dries up...

paul-collins · 1 Nov 2004, 21:14 (Ref:1142364)

Hmmm, dailysportscar is reporting a Mugen-Dome-hybrid works car for next year. Think Jan is looking at the new car for possibilities using his Judds? (I'd hope that, if he's upgrading the cars, he'd consider going with the GV5 as well)

tblincoe · 1 Nov 2004, 23:02 (Ref:1142462)

well the reason Lammers gave for not running was that there was an unfair advantage with the P675 cars (read: Zyteks) and thats why he wasn't competing... hope he gets some funds (isn't there any corporations in the Netherlands with some cash?) and races in 05

Wout · 2 Nov 2004, 07:19 (Ref:1142613)

It was both reasons, the explanation was in "A message from Jan Lammers" on the planetlemans website.

Quote:

The coming weekend is the Spa 1000 KM race, part of the 'Le Mans Endurance Series', a championship where we would have liked to compete in, but both financially as sportively it was respectively not achievable and injudicious. We would have had to compete against cars that weight a merely 675 kg and have 550 bhp compared to our weight of 900 kg and 600 bhp. The difference of 225 kg and just 50 bhp would mean that we do not have the slightest chance with our Dome V10 Judd. Audi has higher chances because, by using a turbo charged engine, they have much more torque (power at low revs) than us. They have for example almost 950 Nm while we have 440 Nm

Some other notes: there has been thoughts about changing the name RFH, but they didn't, because the name "Racing for Holland" is very known now. Jan compares it with "scuderia italia" for example.
There is a good chance though, that the black-white colour-concept will change.

tblincoe · 2 Nov 2004, 08:06 (Ref:1142626)

thanks for finding that quote, i guess i only remember the sporting part because thats what he spent most of the message explaining

Javi · 2 Nov 2004, 10:49 (Ref:1142742)

lmsr.net is posting today a confirmed Dome Works team for Le mans 2005 with an hybrid version. Maybe Lammers is also on the move with a judd engined hybrid.

Wout · 2 Nov 2004, 11:01 (Ref:1142749)

More details: DOME

mikmx · 2 Nov 2004, 11:22 (Ref:1142764)

Its good to hear Dome comes with a factory team, but I wonder what that means for Jan. He was the number 1 customer/factory team. I really hope he will be able to get finances together. So come on Dutch corporations! Investing in a F1 farce as Robert Doornbos at 100.000 euro's for a training lap is stupid. Give Jan a chance to win.. Its not impossible this year!

tblincoe · 2 Nov 2004, 18:39 (Ref:1143078)

what this means for lammers is that we probably wont see him racing in 2005, but a positive prospect is that Lammers will recieve a very well sorted Dome hybrid for 2006 from the factory.

pirenzo · 2 Nov 2004, 18:42 (Ref:1143084)

I guess you're right then Paul.
S101-Hb sounds rather like hybrid to me.
I suppose it will be built to the latest rules then?

tblincoe · 2 Nov 2004, 18:47 (Ref:1143091)

yes that is correct pirenzo

Fieldgate · 3 Nov 2004, 08:28 (Ref:1143584)

looks like Dome have fallen out of love with Lammers - maybe he's run his course. As they say all things come to an end.

tblincoe · 3 Nov 2004, 17:56 (Ref:1144028)

not so much fallen out of love as Dome wants to run their own factory effort in 2005. as of now i would still expect to see lammers running dome hybrids in 2006

EliseGT1 · 3 Nov 2004, 18:21 (Ref:1144058)

I think you're all jumping to conclusions a bit too soon. This Dome article says a lot about Dome's plans for next season, but nothing about Lammers IMHO. We'll have to keep watching the Jan Lammers website for his latest plans, making statements based on "no info" is really not very much of use...and after all: It's not the first time Jan surprised everybody with some nice last minute plans...

paul-collins · 3 Nov 2004, 18:43 (Ref:1144090)

What we know: Lammers visited Dome recently. Dome is doing an hybrid. Dome is running a factory effort, not related to Jan's efforts.

All else is speculation, as you said. I'd be surprised if Jan went all the way to Japan and didn't have a hard look at the hybrid, though.

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