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Old 16 Sep 2002, 16:29 (Ref:381684)   #1
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Group 5 racecars

I’m looking for VHS-video-tapes about the „Deutsche Rennsport-Meisterschaft“ (DRM) or Group 5 racecars.
I’m thankful for every information.
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Old 16 Sep 2002, 19:53 (Ref:381838)   #2
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What sort of cars were Gp 5 ?? Only asking as several cars ran in several groups. Any car in particlar ?

May have a few photo's of Brands with the 935's and Turbo Capri's if any help

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Old 17 Sep 2002, 05:59 (Ref:382117)   #3
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Simon, it should be those ones :
http://www.lisa-racing.com/Gruppe_5_.../DRM_79_36.JPG

Great late 70' cars...

Anybody has a picture of "Moby Dick" ?

It was impressive on the track, but I was too young to take pictures... I just widely openned my eyes !
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Old 17 Sep 2002, 12:00 (Ref:382402)   #4
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SL will have a photo of a moby dick (he has all my photos and will one day load them or what ever one does), not the original but one of the Joest copys raced by Morriti (or something like that) I did not think it looked as good as a K3.
Or if you look on the 962 link I posted elsewhere there is the complete 935 story with loads of pictures.

Getting back to the original question, I have searched for Grp 5 Videos and have not had any luck, sorry.

Maybe cyber's knows?

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Old 17 Sep 2002, 15:42 (Ref:382566)   #5
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Old 17 Sep 2002, 17:11 (Ref:382630)   #6
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Hope Simon will read this... I'd love a wall paper with the "monster" Moby Dick... d'you remember the year the Renault won ?

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Old 17 Sep 2002, 18:44 (Ref:382696)   #7
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Remember it ? 1978 ? Course I do. The first year I went. car 43 the Martini 935/78 of Schurti / Stommelen is what you are refering to I think. Qualified 3rd overall 3.30.9, 16sec quicker than the next Gp V. Top speed 222 km/h on the straight.

Photo will be here soon, if I can get it sized correctly.

FAB, please let me know what car you want, quite a few from 78 / 79 / 80 / 81

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Old 17 Sep 2002, 19:36 (Ref:382733)   #8
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Videos of that era will be tough to find, VCRs were either not invented yet, or horribly expensive...
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For modern footage of 935s of all types from HSR there is the 'Porsche the Legendary Cars' DVD and Video from Duke Video. It covers all racing Porsches including 935, 936, 956/962, 911 GT1, 917 etc. Good interviews as well

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Black and white 935/78 at the finish (8th overall, 3rd in class)

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Old 17 Sep 2002, 20:07 (Ref:382760)   #11
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You often see footage on Eurosport etc. of Group 5, Group C etc. when they show clips from past races etc. that is not available on any video. I'm particulalry thinking about Group C from 1991-1992 that I have seen in clips recently on Eurosport.

Is this footage from the manufactuers/broadcsters archives. If so is there no way for a fan to get hold of this footage (particulalry from manufactuers).
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And the GpV class winning Kremer 935 of 1978 of Busby/Cord/Knoop
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And my favorite, the awesome ex NART Ferrari 312 BB that ran in the IMSA class. Finished 3rd in class, 16th overall
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Old 17 Sep 2002, 20:21 (Ref:382777)   #14
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Must add a credit to the Le Mans yearbook 1978 for all the photo's. Sorry about the 44 car heading downhill as well


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PS there is a larger colour photo of Moby but it goes over 2 pages and so does not svan very well.
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And my favorite, the awesome ex NART Ferrari 312 BB that
...was a 365
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...was a 365

I've just re checked the 1978 entry list and car 86 is shown as a 512, although the photo caption states a 312. The entry does not show any 365's only 512's. Confused ?????

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Old 18 Sep 2002, 07:19 (Ref:383122)   #17
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car 43 the Martini 935/78 of Schurti / Stommelen is what you are refering to I think. Qualified 3rd overall 3.30.9, 16sec quicker than the next Gp V.
It's this one indeed ! Thanks so lot Simon... i 'd be interrested by a nice wide picture of this one ; I was quite still a kid, and was very much impressed by this huge car... for me, it's still the kind of car I like to see on the track : original, powerfull, not always efficient, but how impressive when see from the side of the track...

BTW, could you imagine this car on the track now ? Hope there will be a "Classic LM" with the cars from the 1976-1982 period...

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Top speed 222 km/h on the straight
Could be 222 m/h instead of km/h ?

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Black and white 935/78 at the finish (8th overall, 3rd in class)
Nice beast, isn't it ? If I can remember, the fuel (and rubber) consumption was enormous... that's why the car was far behind at the checkered flag...
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...was a 365

I've just re checked the 1978 entry list and car 86 is shown as a 512, although the photo caption states a 312. The entry does not show any 365's only 512's. Confused ?????

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I think cybers may be right! the car maybe a 365 GT4BB cha. no 18139
and the only 365 entered run by NART.
maybe someone could post a picture of the two types togeather?
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...was a 365

I've just re checked the 1978 entry list and car 86 is shown as a 512, although the photo caption states a 312. The entry does not show any 365's only 512's. Confused ?????

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I believe both these cars were upgraded to 512 (i.e. bigger engine) but I don't know when. But 312 was only ever used for prrototypes and F1 cars, I believe.
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I've just gone back and re reread everything.

The top speed could be mph, nothing is shown as mph or kph, being French I assumed kph, although the book is the English translation. The Renault no 1 clocked 224.935 and the no 3 car 220.586 making the 935 2nd fastest.

The Pozzi team Ferrari did race 365's in the GT catagory before Le Mans, these might have been upgraded. However the NART entry is described as a Boxer, 512 and 312. All 3 cars are shown with the 4942 engine.

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I think cybers may be right! the car maybe a 365 GT4BB cha. no 18139
and the only 365 entered run by NART.
maybe someone could post a picture of the two types togeather?

The car (s/n 18139) ran both Le Mans 77 and 78. In 77 with a 365 bb engine and in 78 with 512 engine. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...ighlight=18139

Can someone post some more pics from LM77?
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Here you can find some pics and final results of DRM:
http://www.faszination-tourenwagen.de/index0.htm

Also on the Racing Sports Cars website you can find info about DRM:
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some shots on my website at http://www.sportscar-racing.co.uk

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Very good site, have known it for a long time and keep coming back to it. Thanks for sharing.
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