Rivals protest Ferrari's rear wing...

Sodemo · 11 Mar 2006, 19:49 (Ref:1543899)

Apparently, the rival teams have expressed their unhappiness over the design of Ferrari's rear wing assembly, it has been declared legal by the FIA however...

I wonder if this is a similar story to when in 2001, Williams designed a "new philosophy" rear diffuser.
After Brazil (Interlagos), Ferrari complained, and Williams were forced to change it, not because it was against the rules, but because it was against the "spirit of the rules".
Is this a similar situation?

Story over at www.Autosport.com

JeremySmith · 11 Mar 2006, 20:08 (Ref:1543912)

Bargeboards anyone?

Sodemo · 11 Mar 2006, 22:25 (Ref:1543975)

Heh heh, Indeed.

Ive been looking at photos from the quali today, and I really cannot see anything out of the ordinary, nothing obvious anyway.

Well, I guess we'll have to see if the other teams alter their wings accordingly within the next few weeks...?

**Bononi** · 11 Mar 2006, 22:33 (Ref:1543980)

That's it ! Now the season has really started ! Don't you just love the F1 soap opera ?

JeremySmith · 11 Mar 2006, 22:42 (Ref:1543988)

Do you think KR is unhappy with the design of McLaren's rear wing? just thought I would ask.

Knowlesy · 11 Mar 2006, 22:45 (Ref:1543990)

Probably not, seeing as it was his suspension that broke.

JeremySmith · 11 Mar 2006, 22:59 (Ref:1544002)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

Probably not, seeing as it was his suspension that broke.

Ohh allright then....Details

Knowlesy · 11 Mar 2006, 23:01 (Ref:1544005)

Hehehe...

Wasn't there a protest over various Ferrari bits and bobs after Imola 2002. They never seem to come to anything these protestations.

I say teams should just follow or innovate rather than try to get things banned.

JeremySmith · 11 Mar 2006, 23:19 (Ref:1544020)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

Hehehe...

Wasn't there a protest over various Ferrari bits and bobs after Imola 2002. They never seem to come to anything these protestations.

I say teams should just follow or innovate rather than try to get things banned.

Just get on with it I say..I don't recall what happened at Imola knowlesy?

Knowlesy · 11 Mar 2006, 23:22 (Ref:1544021)

I'm not so sure there was a protest....I just seem to remember Williams complaining about aero devices on the Ferrari F2002. I think it was to do with the parts flexing/how much they moved around.

It's as if Ferraris cars are scrutinised more than any other!

Andrew2001 · 11 Mar 2006, 23:57 (Ref:1544030)

Well the cars look so radical I am sure there will be some stone throwing early on, especially if Ferrari emerges miles ahead...again..

Marbot · 12 Mar 2006, 01:56 (Ref:1544066)

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Originally Posted by knowlesy

Probably not, seeing as it was his suspension that broke.

It's the usual Mclaren Tech-speak.

Engine has electrical problem=Piston destroys ECU.

Car has handling problems=Rear wing collapses and destroys rear suspension.

kmsport · 12 Mar 2006, 02:02 (Ref:1544068)

In respect to Kimi/McLaren qualifying
Amazingly, the wheel tether stayed intact ...which was a refreshing change for me..

Marbot · 12 Mar 2006, 02:08 (Ref:1544069)

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Originally Posted by kmsport

In respect to Kimi/McLaren qualifying
Amazingly, the wheel tether stayed intact ...which was a refreshing change for me..

I'm sure Mclaren will take great comfort in the fact that at least something worked correctly.

Marbot · 12 Mar 2006, 02:50 (Ref:1544078)

There are two schools of thought as regards the protest.Ferrari say that they should have a rear wing,all the other teams say that they shouldn't.

Tone · 12 Mar 2006, 03:48 (Ref:1544086)

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Originally Posted by kmsport

In respect to Kimi/McLaren qualifying
Amazingly, the wheel tether stayed intact ...which was a refreshing change for me..

Think they doubled the tensile strength of the tethers last year..

ASCII Man · 12 Mar 2006, 10:02 (Ref:1544879)

One thing that I noticed over the years is that whenever another team protests about something that Ferrari came up with that's seemingly illegal, nothing is being done about it and it's swept under the rug.

But when Ferrari protest about something from another team, the FIA seem to fall over themselves in an effort to quickly ban whatever Ferrari seem to protest..

It's a conspiracy I tells ya!!

**Adam43** · 12 Mar 2006, 10:28 (Ref:1544986)

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Originally Posted by The Monster

Apparently, the rival teams have expressed their unhappiness over the design of Ferrari's rear wing assembly, it has been declared legal by the FIA however...

There is concern over it, but there hasn't actually been a protest.

Sodemo · 12 Mar 2006, 10:32 (Ref:1544988)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

There is concern over it, but there hasn't actually been a protest.

There has! I'm protesting

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"The FIA always checks every car to see if it is completely legal. They measure how flexible the wings are and if it is still within the book.

Pat Symonds told reporters in Bahrain: "I am not at all happy about it. It is very clear what you can or cannot do within the rules. There might be specific rules about specific parts, but there are also general rules and I know exactly what that Ferrari wing does. And that is not what I would expect it should do."

Marbot · 12 Mar 2006, 14:02 (Ref:1545129)

All that will happen is that the other teams will build wings that flex in the same way.......And then Ferrari will protest and they'll all get banned.

Sodemo · 12 Mar 2006, 14:15 (Ref:1545142)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

All that will happen is that the other teams will build wings that flex in the same way.......And then Ferrari will protest and they'll all get banned.

Judging from what Pat Symonds said, im guessing that only part of the wing is flexing and not the whole assembly from the mounting point.
So as a guess, I would say its the actual top wing element alone which is flexing under load.

Gt_R · 12 Mar 2006, 15:52 (Ref:1545221)

Ferrari made a protest over another team (Renault or Honda) last year about wing flexing and it is "swept under the rug" too. And wasn't Renault one of the teams, together with BAR, Mclaren and Ferrari, who ran parts that flex like tissue in the wind.

In any case, the wings are subjected to safety checks and flexing test..and Ferrari passed that.

Sodemo · 12 Mar 2006, 16:20 (Ref:1545230)

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Originally Posted by Gt_R

Ferrari made a protest over another team (Renault or Honda) last year about wing flexing and it is "swept under the rug" too. And wasn't Renault one of the teams, together with BAR, Mclaren and Ferrari, who ran parts that flex like tissue in the wind.

In any case, the wings are subjected to safety checks and flexing test..and Ferrari passed that.

Yep, it was the rear engine cover of last years Renault that was seen to be flexing quite a fair bit. However, considering the teams have the most to gain from having the rear wing flex, (as it causes what, maybe 40%-50% of the cars overall drag?) I guess this has stirred a few bad vibes.

Jordi · 12 Mar 2006, 17:26 (Ref:1545290)

I think Renault will stop protesting, now that Ferrari haven't been 1-2 in the race...

That Imola 2002 story... Patrick Head was complaining and Charlie Whiting showed him some parts of the Williams were moving more than the Ferrari parts Head was complaining about...

Pat Symonds once said that before "if someone came up with a good design other would be like 'well done, I wish I'd thought of that' but now everyone thinks you're cheating".

avsfan733 · 12 Mar 2006, 17:40 (Ref:1545300)

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Originally Posted by ASCII Man

One thing that I noticed over the years is that whenever another team protests about something that Ferrari came up with that's seemingly illegal, nothing is being done about it and it's swept under the rug.

But when Ferrari protest about something from another team, the FIA seem to fall over themselves in an effort to quickly ban whatever Ferrari seem to protest..

Its because when Ferrari wins people tend to assumer the worst and when someone else cheats they blame Ferrri for whining

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