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Old 19 Oct 2011, 19:04 (Ref:2973965)   #126
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Just back from a business trip to Solesmes, not a million miles from Le Mans, and did the obligatory drive around as much of the track as possible this morning.

Great to be able to do it without crowds around and be able to focus on what the track is all about - and having a nice specced up Alfa Romeo Giuletta courtesy of Avis didn't hurt either. I've often held that deserted race track can be a morose place, but I might have to revise that opinion.

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Just back from a business trip to Solesmes, not a million miles from Le Mans, and did the obligatory drive around as much of the track as possible this morning.

Great to be able to do it without crowds around and be able to focus on what the track is all about - and having a nice specced up Alfa Romeo Giuletta courtesy of Avis didn't hurt either. I've often held that deserted race track can be a morose place, but I might have to revise that opinion.

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Old 28 Oct 2011, 12:34 (Ref:2978186)   #128
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Could be something interesting to look out for next year for bookshelves/coffee tables.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mans-Panoram...9805006&sr=8-1
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Old 28 Oct 2011, 12:57 (Ref:2978197)   #129
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Could be something interesting to look out for next year for bookshelves/coffee tables.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mans-Panoram...9805006&sr=8-1
If this is the book in which this years ten tenths meeting might be included then I would like to buy one when available.
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Old 28 Oct 2011, 21:11 (Ref:2978380)   #130
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Well it's certainly by the very same gi_gav who was snapping at our meeting - we need to find out!
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Old 30 Oct 2011, 12:27 (Ref:2978943)   #131
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I seem to be spending the time in between races bidding for LM annuals. I remember asking about them on here when I joined 14 months ago.

Just bought my 15th book! Picked up a '95 for £60 including postage. Quite happy with that but was in the mix for a '97 which went for £107!! Is that about right?

Anyway shouldn't be too long until the 2011 edition. Hoping for same quality but with less mistakes.
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Old 30 Oct 2011, 12:58 (Ref:2978948)   #132
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A few rumours on twitter courtesy of GG about the possibility of Aston DBR9 GT1's competing in the Aston Festival. Would be great. Either way it should be a good addition to the race.
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Already posted in Armchair but just ordered my copy of the 2011 annual. Should take the tally up to 17 when it arrives on Monday!
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2011 yearbook looks to be up to the same standard as previous years. Same layout as the 2010 book so nice and colourful.

Not started reading it yet but it will be interesting to see if they have worked on eradicating all the frustrating little errors. The fact that in the hourly race positions page the AF Corse 458 is highlighted as GTE-Pro winner doesn't exactly reassure me.
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2011 yearbook looks to be up to the same standard as previous years. Same layout as the 2010 book so nice and colourful.

Not started reading it yet but it will be interesting to see if they have worked on eradicating all the frustrating little errors. The fact that in the hourly race positions page the AF Corse 458 is highlighted as GTE-Pro winner doesn't exactly reassure me.
I will tell you if it's a Teissedre's error or a translation problem. I am waiting for the book too, one of the most important post-24H event.
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Old 30 Nov 2011, 19:30 (Ref:2993612)   #137
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I will tell you if it's a Teissedre's error or a translation problem. I am waiting for the book too, one of the most important post-24H event.
I've had a chance to look a bit further into it. The errors in all the recent annuals don't tend to stem from translations. They are simply annoying things like spelling driver names wrong.

If you look through the entry pages (which is one of my favourite parts) it is possible to find small errors/inconsistencies in near enough every driver.

An example is Sebastien Bourdais.
In 1999 he is listed as driving a Porsche 8911.
In 2000 a Courage C52-Peugeit
Someone has then copied and pasted that for the next two years without spotting the typo.
2001 he drove alongside Emmanuel Ciollard

That's just a very small example but it is riddled all the way through the British versions - for 10+ years!
Don't get me wrong I LOVE the books and will always buy them but to not even proof-read the book through is just inexcusable. How have they not been called out on that!?
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Reading up a bit on time spent in the pits from the 2011 race... and this race was damn well won through pitstops, but the closeness of the whole thing beggars belief. The #2 Audi won by those 13.854 seconds, but if the #9 Peugeot had spent the exact same amount of time in the pits... #2 spent 33m56s in the pits, #9 34m18s, #9 would have won with a gap of just about 8 seconds.

This race really was a case of "whoever blinks first loses". Bloody hell.
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And then there was the time Audi gained (or the Peugeot's lost - whichever was the case) with the Rockenfeller safety car period.....
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Leftfield one for you - looks like I've got about an hour to kill at Le Mans station tomorrow.

Anyone got any suggestions for a decent coffee shop or similar in the area of the station that'll be a bit more salubrious than the standard station coffee shop?
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Leftfield one for you - looks like I've got about an hour to kill at Le Mans station tomorrow.

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Why not pay a visit to the Le Mans Legend Cafe?
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Leftfield one for you - looks like I've got about an hour to kill at Le Mans station tomorrow.

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Cheers James - suspect Legends cafe might well be a starter - will let you know.

Astonishingly cold here in La Sarthe - colleague told me his BMW got a bit exciting on some of the country roads round here, so suspect I'll give the circuit a miss this time - leaving aside the whole car theft issue!
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They serve slightly overpriced standard fare, decent enough, but the bonus is some interesting memorabilia for you to peruse.
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Just looked - would appear that they won't quite be open when I pass through Le Mans tomorrow morning (arrive from Sable-sur-Sarthe at 1009 and then head for Paris about 1130 - so missing Legends cafe by 15 minutes.

Something to save for next time I guess...
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Just looked - would appear that they won't quite be open when I pass through Le Mans tomorrow morning (arrive from Sable-sur-Sarthe at 1009 and then head for Paris about 1130 - so missing Legends cafe by 15 minutes.

Something to save for next time I guess...
Well, there's a bar/brasserie next to the Galaxie Hotel opposite the station (on the corner of the junction with Avenue du General Leclerc). My memory's poor, but I'm pretty sure that's the one I've seen Hugh Chamberlain in a few times over the years.
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