The never ending Toyota return to Le Mans (LMP1) Saga - Page 50

jc_nl · 24 Jan 2012, 20:29 (Ref:3016398)

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Originally Posted by alexkiller8

.....But the problem for petrol powered car is always the same... the engine! even if the rv8kLM engine born as a mid-high rev engine (the "standard" rv8k is a high rev engine for formula nippon), it will have a torque that is much more less than what audi engine can release (i have serious doubts that rv8k can release more than 525Nm, the audi/peugeot in 2011 were able to pass 850Nm)....

I won't go in to technical stuff, we have much wiser people to do that on here (knighty art thou here??).

But I would like to point you to the article on RE wich clearly states it is a brand new engine, not re development of the "old" rv8xx.

Seems I was beaten to the point by TF110

gwyllion · 24 Jan 2012, 20:30 (Ref:3016399)

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Originally Posted by TF110

HP makes for higher top speeds, Torque improves acceleration. A hybrid system gives instant torque, so it'll negate a lot of that advantage of a diesel.

Audi will also have a hybrid system. So they will still have big torque advantage

alexkiller8 · 24 Jan 2012, 20:33 (Ref:3016403)

ok i didn't read about new engine, so i did a mistake about rv8klm. But even if is a new engine, for sure won't have same torque of a diesel. Hope that hybrid will help to have a better acceleration! the races will tell.

TF110 · 24 Jan 2012, 20:33 (Ref:3016404)

A Hybrid diesel, that's something I'd like to see! But I still trust Toyota to know hybrids better than Audi. But Audi do the diesel thing quite well. Time will tell. But I do hope this new engine is something becoming of this TS030. It looks quite good in high-res shots. I was a little skeptical about the headlights, but now that real pictures have been released, it looks a lot better.

evanPGH · 24 Jan 2012, 20:45 (Ref:3016412)

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Originally Posted by TF110

A Hybrid diesel, that's something I'd like to see! But I still trust Toyota to know hybrids better than Audi. But Audi do the diesel thing quite well. Time will tell. But I do hope this new engine is something becoming of this TS030. It looks quite good in high-res shots. I was a little skeptical about the headlights, but now that real pictures have been released, it looks a lot better.

This. Toyota has extensive experience with hybrid drive systems not only in production vehicles but also the Supra HV-R race car.

Also, from what I've heard Audi plans to test and possibly develop a diesel hybrid but race with their already proven diesel only powertrains this year.

gwyllion · 24 Jan 2012, 20:50 (Ref:3016415)

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Originally Posted by evanPGH

This. Toyota has extensive experience with hybrid drive systems not only in production vehicles but also the Supra HV-R race car.

Audi might have got technical input from Porsche, who have a lot of experience with the hybrid 911.

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Originally Posted by evanPGH

Also, from what I've heard Audi plans to test and possibly develop a diesel hybrid but race with their already proven diesel only powertrains this year.

Supposedly Audi has registered at least one hybrid R18 for Le Mans. At one stage there were rumors that Audi would enter 4 cars in total, 2 regular R18s and 2 hybrid R18s.

Teretonga · 24 Jan 2012, 20:57 (Ref:3016423)

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Originally Posted by TF110

HP makes for higher top speeds, Torque improves acceleration. A hybrid system gives instant torque, so it'll negate a lot of that advantage of a diesel. And obviously Toyota knows this. You speak of the RV8K, but this isn't that engine. Racecar Engineering article even says this is a brand new engine but same displacement and cylinder count. Why don't you hold off judgement until they actually race. Then we'll see if their Super Capacitors can challenge Audi's diesel.

Agree.

wait until the competition actually starts.
No one gave audi much hope ast year but the Pug's blew it pretty comprehensively.

Just wait until they get a flux capacitor that works....Then they'll be racing off into the future...

As for Bernies comments its all ball games....
He's just scoring F1 points over endurance racing.
If he can convince manufacturers that spending 50 mil on endurance racing is a waste maybe he can entice them to spend 150-200 mil in F1 instead...

evanPGH · 24 Jan 2012, 20:58 (Ref:3016424)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

Audi might have got technical input from Porsche, who have a lot of experience with the hybrid 911.

With Porsche entering Le Mans in the following years I'm not sure they would want to share secrets.

I just hope that Toyota can fill the void left by Peugeot, a lot of those Audi/Peugeot battles were amazing to watch. The GT-One was very competitive before getting canned and I would expect the TS030 to continue the trend.

TF110 · 24 Jan 2012, 21:10 (Ref:3016432)

That's why I figure it'll be an awesome car. The TS020 was fast out the door. I expect the same for it's 'successor'.

MJones94 · 24 Jan 2012, 21:19 (Ref:3016441)

After looking at numerous photos I must admit I am getting more used to the front headlamps, they are still not perfect but they are kind of growing on me.

MJones94 · 24 Jan 2012, 21:23 (Ref:3016443)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

The real question is are there any members on the forum willing to step forward and join TF110 as the 'Toyota army' - defending them no matter what so we can resume the entertaining battles the Audi/Pug era gave us...

I think I will be supporting Toyota due to the past Audi domination (Until Peugeot came along atleast). Its strange as I never decided whether I preferred Audi or Peugeot at the time, just relishing in the super competitive battles.

evanPGH · 24 Jan 2012, 21:23 (Ref:3016444)

Damn you TF110 and your TS030 avatar!

I was going to do the same but I'm new around here and can't have one yet.

TF110 · 24 Jan 2012, 21:38 (Ref:3016448)

I was quick to use one. I was waiting for the car to be released to use it as an Avatar. I would have used the TF110 F1 car, but there were no good avatar sized shots. Are they testing today or is this just a roll-out? If not I hope they test more the next couple of days. I'm sure that's what they said they were doing.

kober · 24 Jan 2012, 21:39 (Ref:3016449)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I wonder, by putting the system in the 'passenger seat' would this allow for better/even weight distribution since the driver is probably equally as heavy as the Hybrid storage system?

Will they be actually allowed to race in such a set-up? I was under impression that LMPs should be passenger-seat-ready.

evanPGH · 24 Jan 2012, 21:48 (Ref:3016458)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I was quick to use one. I was waiting for the car to be released to use it as an Avatar. I would have used the TF110 F1 car, but there were no good avatar sized shots. Are they testing today or is this just a roll-out? If not I hope they test more the next couple of days. I'm sure that's what they said they were doing.

They're scheduled to test Paul Ricard from the 24th-27th. Whether or not they used this first day solely for the roll out I'm not sure.

aneesh99 · 24 Jan 2012, 21:50 (Ref:3016460)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I was quick to use one. I was waiting for the car to be released to use it as an Avatar. I would have used the TF110 F1 car, but there were no good avatar sized shots.

Maybe this is of some use?

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=127900

I'm really hyped about the TS030, I know who I'm rooting for at Le Mans this year!

kurski · 24 Jan 2012, 21:51 (Ref:3016461)

Toyota is interested in ex-Peugeot drivers

tyronnezx · 24 Jan 2012, 21:59 (Ref:3016463)

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Originally Posted by kurski

Toyota is interested in ex-Peugeot drivers

got any link/s? not being harsh here but they should put all the inexperienced drivers in one car and the experienced ones in the next. im just worried that Nakajima will kick off 2012 crashfeast right after the first corner at lemans

deggis · 24 Jan 2012, 21:59 (Ref:3016464)

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Originally Posted by kurski

Andrea Caldarelli test Toyota LMP1 car?

Toyota has signed single-seater racer Andrea Caldarelli to its sportscar squad as a junior driver for the 2012 season.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97165

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Originally Posted by kober

Will they be actually allowed to race in such a set-up? I was under impression that LMPs should be passenger-seat-ready.

Yes, in theory 2-seaters. But I think it has become a norm to place electronics etc. stuff there?

vincegail · 24 Jan 2012, 22:01 (Ref:3016466)

And with the GT-One (TS020) Toyota put their fueltank in the space that was originally intented to be the luggage space! ACO was not amused, but they (Toyota) got away with it!

ss_collins · 24 Jan 2012, 22:02 (Ref:3016467)

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Damn you TF110 and your TS030 avatar!

nobody has ever used a pic I took as an avatar before!

deggis · 24 Jan 2012, 22:02 (Ref:3016468)

EDIT: Full press release here: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/24/t...nce-prototype/

Also:

gwyllion · 24 Jan 2012, 22:07 (Ref:3016473)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Anyone seen the official press release if there is one? Nothing here or here at least...

http://www.planetlemans.com/2012/01/...ns-challenger/

evanPGH · 24 Jan 2012, 22:08 (Ref:3016474)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

nobody has ever used a pic I took as an avatar before!

I'm also using one as my desktop background, you took some great shots! (I love the one of the flow vis paint, it's not something seen very often) Thanks for getting them and the write up online so quickly!

deggis · 24 Jan 2012, 22:09 (Ref:3016475)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

http://www.planetlemans.com/2012/01/...ns-challenger/

Found - too slow edit...

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