The never ending Toyota return to Le Mans (LMP1) Saga - Page 48

kurski · 24 Jan 2012, 11:09 (Ref:3016113)

Official release from Toyota today, following the spy shots that leaked last week, it's the new LMP1

JayBMS · 24 Jan 2012, 11:25 (Ref:3016120)

Embargo will be lifted at 1800GMT

gwyllion · 24 Jan 2012, 11:25 (Ref:3016121)

Sam Collins is at Paul Ricard at the moment.

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Originally Posted by @RacecarEngineer

Chilly but sunny at HTTT

The website that published that picture of the Toyota car is not respecting the embargo.

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Originally Posted by @RacecarEngineer

Embargo lifted at 1900 CET, 1800GMT, 1300 EST - well worth checking back

gwyllion · 24 Jan 2012, 12:34 (Ref:3016136)

Toyota Motorsport has opened a twitter account for their Le Mans project: http://twitter.com/Toyota_Hybrid

tbz · 24 Jan 2012, 12:58 (Ref:3016149)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

Toyota Motorsport has opened a twitter account for their Le Mans project: http://twitter.com/Toyota_Hybrid

Also on youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/ToyotaMo...tGmbH/featured

evanPGH · 24 Jan 2012, 12:59 (Ref:3016151)

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Originally Posted by GTfour

Welcome to the worlds best sportscarforum mate

'Have you seen the GT-Ones or TS010's run back then or are you a more recent fan?

I got into motorsport when I was around eleven years old so I was fortunate enough to watch the GT-One in 1999. A bit too young for the TS010

I just remember falling in love with the TS020 immediately. The shape, the engine note, and that chevron livery just made it look so damn sexy!

gustavobamba · 24 Jan 2012, 13:46 (Ref:3016185)

This is how Toyota Hybrid LMP 1 car will sound

http://tvider.com/view/75427

MulsanneMike · 24 Jan 2012, 14:00 (Ref:3016191)

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Originally Posted by gustavobamba

This is how Toyota Hybrid LMP 1 car will sound

http://tvider.com/view/75427

"Like" 3.4L, normally aspirated, V8.

Acid09 · 24 Jan 2012, 14:24 (Ref:3016201)

Why can't it be 6 o'clock already? I want to see more.....

chernaudi · 24 Jan 2012, 14:39 (Ref:3016208)

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Originally Posted by gustavobamba

This is how Toyota Hybrid LMP 1 car will sound

http://tvider.com/view/75427

Not much for variety then--as Mike pointed out, sounds like a 3.4 NA flatcrank V8, probably the same engine as Rebellion uses with some "special" TRD/TMG (cough, factory team unique) tuning, and basically a LMP1 spec Super GT V8 from the SC430.

That doesn't really break the mold, as outside of the diesels and the 2011 "grandfathered" (and now retired) LMP1s, it's all basically 3.4 flatcrank V8s outside of the adventurous few that have run 2.0T inline fours (and the disastrous AM 2.0T I6). Only unique part is it's hybrid system.

Not saying that it can't work, but the ACO's decision to standardize on the old LMP2 engines with larger restictors sort of has killed the creativity, hasn't it? At least with the "big engines" we had V8s, V10s and V12s.

I'm not against the "green" movement as far as production relevant innovation, but isn't racing supposed to be somewhat amoral and anathema to "everyday" driving--outside of the autobahn, name one road where it's legal to do 200mph in an electric hybrid car?

With that cynical rant out of the way, I'm just a little disappointed that Toyota isn't pushing the envelope a bit on the engine front, but then again, they have a proven engine, though I'm not 100% sure that a flatcrank V8 is the way to go. That being said, in '08 a Porsche RS Spyder finished well into the top 10 with a 3.4 V8, and in '10 Strakka finished in the top 5 overall with a 3.4 V8 powered ARX-01.

Of course, I don't get what the complaints are about inline fours sounding like crap--what do you think a flatcrank V8 is? Two inline fours joined together in a common block and sharing a common crankshaft. I never got that complaint...

gwyllion · 24 Jan 2012, 14:51 (Ref:3016213)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Of course, I don't get what the complaints are about inline fours sounding like crap--what do you think a flatcrank V8 is? Two inline fours joined together in a common block and sharing a common crankshaft. I never got that complaint...

Are you serious?

When a turbo I4 engine revs at 6000 rpm, 200 explosion/combustions happen per second and that noise gets damped by the turbo.
When a NA V8 engine revs at 10500 rpm, 700 explosions/combustions happen per second and that noise goes straight into the exhaust.

That is the key difference!

Victor_RO · 24 Jan 2012, 15:15 (Ref:3016224)

https://twitter.com/#!/johndagys/sta...29151488229376

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Looks like Toyota's new LMP1 is called the TS030, according to multiple sources. Official unveil later today. @SPEED @24HoursofLeMans

Predictable name then.

gwyllion · 24 Jan 2012, 15:22 (Ref:3016227)

No surprise there.

Acid09 · 24 Jan 2012, 15:22 (Ref:3016228)

I liked P12 because it was simple but it's nice to see they stick with old traditions

Bubak · 24 Jan 2012, 15:22 (Ref:3016229)

yeah Toyota TS030 LMP1 ACO says too https://twitter.com/#!/24hoursoflema...30317315997696

evanPGH · 24 Jan 2012, 15:34 (Ref:3016235)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

https://twitter.com/#!/johndagys/sta...29151488229376

Predictable name then.

Haha my thought's exactly.

I'm fine with a 3.4 V8 if that is indeed what it ends up being. The Rebellion cars have managed success with it, after all it was the top gasoline finisher at Le Mans last year. I'm sure Toyota/TTE will have their own modifications to it as well.

They hybrid system is undoubtedly the "x-factor" for this car. Which wheels will it be driving and let's see it in action already! If it's implemented well enough I can see it contesting the overall win.

aneesh99 · 24 Jan 2012, 16:06 (Ref:3016249)

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Originally Posted by aneesh99

Tomorrow tomorrow or today tomorrow? I really have to quit my research job....

I'm hearing (though working in a lab at this time has my mind blow so I'm hearing all kinds of crap) that the second car is Buemi+2xJapanese drivers. I was kinda hoping that Toyota would have taken Kyle Busch over Buemi.....

Twas messing about, reference to Kyle and an LF-A...? Oh, never mind...

I like the name though, keeping some historical perspective is nice

Victor_RO · 24 Jan 2012, 16:51 (Ref:3016267)

https://twitter.com/#!/24hoursoflema...53438735560705

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Toyota TS030 LMP1 : 2 entry forms asked for 24 Hours of Le Mans #24LM #LEMANS #WEC #TOYOTA

Acid09 · 24 Jan 2012, 16:51 (Ref:3016268)

Two TS030 for Le Mans, told you guys

gwyllion · 24 Jan 2012, 16:59 (Ref:3016272)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Two TS030 for Le Mans, told you guys

It was sort of confirmed when Buemi revealed that he has signed a contract to drive with Toyota in Le Mans

evanPGH · 24 Jan 2012, 16:59 (Ref:3016273)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

https://twitter.com/#!/24hoursoflema...53438735560705

The plot thickens...

gwyllion · 24 Jan 2012, 17:01 (Ref:3016275)

Still no surprise. The first real "news" will be the names of two team mates of Buemi and details about the hybrid system (front vs rear wheels, battery vs supercaps vs flywheel, ...).

Victor_RO · 24 Jan 2012, 18:02 (Ref:3016303)

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97163

Official confirmation of a second car for Le Mans, drivers still TBA. Car known as TS030 HYBRID.

ss_collins · 24 Jan 2012, 18:02 (Ref:3016304)

TS030, capacitors, maybe four wheel drive, lots of data here: http://bit.ly/wBnTRy
Shameless plug sorry!

The car looks superb, lots of F1 cues and data. Its really gonna fly, can't wait to see it run in the morning

GT6 · 24 Jan 2012, 18:07 (Ref:3016307)

Well with the pug's gone we all hope that it is up to the job of keeping the Audi's honest, so far things are looking good

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