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I found this in my mailbox, surprised that TcT or autosport.com don't have it yet. Is this for real?!
TC3™ INTERNATIONAL SERIES ANNOUNCED FOR 2015 Introducing a new global Touring Car racing championship – the TC3™ International Series – which has been announced for 2015. The exciting new series aims to restore the ‘Touring Car Pyramid’ concept of cars that can compete at national, regional and international level and will appear in several Formula One™ events. Not only will the cars look impressive but they will be capable of delivering a strong performance, while development and running costs will be kept under control to make the series affordable for private teams. The technical principles follow the GT3 philosophy. Performance of the different cars will be regulated through a Performance balance system. Major car makers have in their range models that may be eligible for competing in this series that is deliberately aimed at creating a strong customer market for the cars while developing a worldwide racing product at the pinnacle of Touring Car racing. In all, there will be in excess of ten race meetings over four continents. Some of these will be run within F1© events, ensuring a massive global audience and strong media coverage will be exposed to the series in its very first season. A sister TC3™ Asia Series will be organised as well, that will be sharing some of the events with the International Series. Stay tuned to hear further details about the TC3™ International Series and its 2015 calendar that will be announced shortly. |
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Right, so is this the FIA attempting to regulate every form of professional motorsports?
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Also, the idea of applying the GT3 philosophy to touring cars should have been used a long time ago. |
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My default position is to be sceptical of anything like this but I think that's well justified in this case.
The sum total of what anyone knows about this is written in the three paragraphs of the press release quoted in the opening post. Who is behind it? What are the technical regs? Website gives zero details. This is just an announcement to say thee will be another announcement in a couple of months. Forgive me if I don't get too enthusiastic just yet. |
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Ideally they'd just take a bunch of existing cars and throw them together under a BoP-formula. Possible candidates could be: Seat Leon Supercopa (new) Opel Astra OPC Race Cup Peugeot 208 GTi (VLN) CLA AMG Racing Series (Brazilian 1 make series) BMW 235i Racing (VLN) |
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Another global series to compete with WTCC.
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750MC Hot Hatch - Saxos, Fiestas and the like UK VW Cup - Polos, Golfs and Sciroccos EuroV8/Superstars - Merc C-class, BMW 5-series, Audi RS5, etc Three very different series for very different types of car but with one thing in common, all use some form of adjustments to balance the relative performance of the grid. They don't all use the term 'BoP' but essentially that's what it is. that works fine within each series but no amount of BoP is ever going to balance a 1.6 Fiesta with a 5-litre AMG Mercedes. I hope this doesn't turn into another thread full of start endless speculating on what would be the ideal global formula, consider this. If this truly is a ‘Touring Car Pyramid’ with TC1 > TC2 > TC3, then this new formula will sit below the current TC2/S2000 in terms of performance, in which case isn't that already Super1600. |
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Errrmm... Isn't that supposed to be a WTCC feeder series (at least one of them) - Ribeiro spoke of a feeder series earlier and the were rumors that 3 classes will be made - WTC with TC1, TC2, and something like TC3..In any case from my point of view being a touringcar ladder series and supporting...Formula 1..is silly. On the other hand, looks like Lotti is trying to build new WTCC from scratch
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Yet another touring car series? Touring cars (in a global sense) needs 1 or 2 sets of rules, not 10.
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Not that the success ballast + power-etc flickering of WTCC or near-spec 'parity' formula of V8 Supercars is close to my heart either but (presumably) non-regs all-BoP class is infinitely lamer, especially if it really takes the route of GT3 and slowly turns into the powerhouse of all touring car racing Last edited by Deleted; 4 Jul 2014 at 12:33. |
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BTW, I believe the concept of returning the concept of "restoring the 'touring car pyramid' concept of cars that can compete at national, regional and international level."" is dead.. Most touring car series opted for their own rules which suit their particular country. The are way too big differences between the countries and it's simply impossible to make one set of rules which will satisfy everyone..WTCC opted for what was better for them - a world championship should have unique championship rules if it wants to be perceived as a world championship, BTCC opted for a cheap ruleset, affordable for privateers, STCC opted for spectacular looking cars and so on.. I don't believe this idea is realistic
As for performance balancing - did we forget what seriously hit WTCC? It will hit this series as well (if it means the system of waivers used in pre-2014 WTCC) |
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So I guess it is possible that this works out fine. Especially since many smaller European countries are finding that they can't support a full-blown GT3 series either and that spec series make for a poor top of the national pyramid. Quote:
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Ex WTCC chief Marcello Lotti is behind it apparently...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114793 AG has spoken on the subject. Gow added that the FIA would be keen to make sure that TC3 did not impinge on the WTCC. "We have to look at it to make sure that it doesn't encroach on the rights of the WTCC," said Gow. "It is a global series that [Lotti] is putting together, it has no affect on anything else other than the WTCC. "Obviously the FIA will protect its own property so we have to make sure it doesn't step in front of the WTCC. "But all of this is pure speculation as none of us know the details." |
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I am somewhat ambivalent regarding the btcc' ngtc ruleset. Whilst I can agree it has brought full grids and the series is booming, the cars aren't as cheap as initially stated. I also think that the cars look overweight when cornering, they just don't "look" nimble, lazy in direction change and they roll around a lot. Having said all that, I would support ngtc as a ruleset for international use. All they need to do is up the power to something like 400bhp, which should be quite easy with the turbo rules.
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"TC"3 Series? Does the FIA know what they're doing? "TC" is the stand of "Turismo Carretera" from Argentina since 1937... and is also used as "TC2000" as "Turismo Competición 2000" from 1979... And Oscar AventÃ*n, the headmaster of Argentinian TC is as important as the France family is for NASCAR... Better not embezzle with them...
Also people from Argentinian forums claims the structure of TC2 and TC3 are very reminiscent of Argentine Turismo Nacional, as we know as Class 2 and Class 3. One thing is sure, folks. On tin-tops, Argentine drivers have no match, as strong our series are. JM López is showing that on WTCC. Clearly. |
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Despite their talk about the touring car pyramid, I think the TC3-name isn't so much about TC1>2>3, but should rather be seen as an analogy to GT3.
That pyramid would eventually exist within the TC3 framework with national/regional series as a support to the international championship. |
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i dont understand why announce a category and then explain the regulation between some months!
TC2 and TC3 should be used to prepare young drivers to the top series wtcc |
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I'm sure the original idea of GT3 was to create stepping stone to GT1 and GT2 too but we all know how that ended up.
Mekola, I'm afraid FIA isn't going to give rats ass about domestic South American series, sorry. And it's just achronym anyway |
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Maybe trying to get manufacturers on board, at least as a supplier of customer cars? They'll also have to start working on a calender, etc... and there sure would have been plenty of rumors around about Lotti trying to set something up. By announcing their intentions early on, they can now to a certain degree control the spin on the whole thing.
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