Tv dominion ... F3000 Masters on Eurosport !!!

[concetta]

FANTASTIC !!! All races of F3000 International Masters will be on Tv. On Eurosport 1 two minutes of highlights one our after race; on Eurosport 2, wow 26 minutes after two our. MTC garanted that you can watch the races in 54 country of the world: Eurosport 1, Eurosport 2 and Eurosport Asia. And in Italy the first round will be in direct on Sport Italia, but maybe, if the audience will be a success, all the championship go on direct!
War in action with F3000 International Series of Coloni Group? Maybe yes. Because Masters open to Lola B02/50 with same standings
And the market drivers/team to be crazy with many team that call KSO and MTC with interest to new championship
ciao ciao Coloni and his F3000 International Series?
You can see probably entry list here: http://www.stopandgo.tv/news.php?idtitolo=0927 and http://www.stopandgo.tv/news.php?idtitolo=0934
After this decision, what do you think? How many drivers can have F3000 International Masters? And F3000 International Series?

[Mekola]

Are F3000 International Masters the heirs of F3000 ProSeries???

[Valker]

So how many F3000 there'll actually be this year? F3000 Italy, Coloni's Euro/International F3000 (or what ever it's called) and F3000 Masters? I really don't get it... I bet it's no good for anyone involved in those series to have 3 series (or two while Coloni's two series share some races??).

[concetta]

Originally Posted by Mekola

Are F3000 International Masters the heirs of F3000 ProSeries???

YES

[concetta]

Originally Posted by Valker

So how many F3000 there'll actually be this year? F3000 Italy, Coloni's Euro/International F3000 (or what ever it's called) and F3000 Masters? I really don't get it... I bet it's no good for anyone involved in those series to have 3 series (or two while Coloni's two series share some races??).

I know this is crazy world ... this the list of F3000 category:
1) GP2 (FIA) DALLARA-RENAULT - 1.000.000 €
2) WORLD SERIES (RENAULT) DALLARA-RENAULT - 700.000 €
3) F3000 INTERNATIONAL MASTERS (KSO GROUP) LOLA B99+B02 - 300.000 €
4) F3000 INTERNATIONAL SERIES (COLONI GROUP) LOLA B99+B02 - 350.000 €
5) F3000 ITALY (COLONI GROUP) LOLA B99+B02 - 180.000 € (B99) - 250.000 € (B02)
GP2 and WORLD SERIES garanted full garanted, but who will be winner of this war between KSO and COLONI GROUP ??????

[pimbopap]

There will be again grids with 10 or 12 cars at least in one of the two championships, pretty sad isn't it.
Racing with a car like the 99 which is 7 years old and already ugly when it was born..............

[concetta]

Originally Posted by pimbopap

There will be again grids with 10 or 12 cars at least in one of the two championships, pretty sad isn't it.
Racing with a car like the 99 which is 7 years old and already ugly when it was born..............

That's it, this is real situation, but just this category can have this cover Tv and this is most important ... You don't yhink so ????

[jondownunder]

I was hoping this series had quietly disappeared... but on the other hand, I love F3000, so it'll make it worth my while travelling to see WTCC at Brands Hatch, even if the grid is as small as the 3000 Pro Series was.

It's a shame they've opened up the field to the Lola B02/50... now there will inevitably be two (or three, counting Coloni's championships as separate) weak series. It was looking like Coloni's F3000 Italia/European F3000 could be as strong as FIA F3000 was in later seasons this year: teams set to enter include Astromega, Avelon, Corbetta, Durango, Euronova, FMS, Fortec, GP Racing, ma-con and Sighinolfi amongst others. Now I suppose some teams will be tempted to move to F3000 Masters, especially with the TV package.

[bradrive]

It's a shame they've opened up the field to the Lola B02/50... now there will inevitably be two[/QUOTE]

The Coloni series has itself established by now and will have the stronger and more professional teams and drivers. Nobody having the B02/50 is even considering the switch to F3000Masters.
The Kso series will take over the teams from the 2005 Peroni F3000Proseries and run with the B99's.
A series has to become accepted by the teams to have success and Coloni achieved this last year by running quite a serious championship.
He will have the following teams:

FMS
Macon
Durango
GP Racing
Euronova
Astromega
Avellon
Corbetta
Sighinolfi (Coloni)
Traini (to be confirmed)

Coloni will probably loose 2 teams with the B99's to the F3000Masters, but he is running on 6 circuits where GP2 goes as well and has a GP2 test for the winner.

Kso will struggle to get 14 cars. The teams might be the following:

Adm
JVA
Ombra (representing Carlin)
Fama
Euronova
Pro Motorsport
Motori di Carlotta (what a name for a racing team)
Cek
Cibiemme Team
Woess Racing
Tschagger Motorsport

These 2 championships are on a different level for different teams/drivers. If you want to go towards Renault World Series and/or GP2 you choose the Coloni series.

[concetta]

Originally Posted by bradrive

It's a shame they've opened up the field to the Lola B02/50... now there will inevitably be two

The Coloni series has itself established by now and will have the stronger and more professional teams and drivers. Nobody having the B02/50 is even considering the switch to F3000Masters.
The Kso series will take over the teams from the 2005 Peroni F3000Proseries and run with the B99's.
A series has to become accepted by the teams to have success and Coloni achieved this last year by running quite a serious championship.
He will have the following teams:

FMS
Macon
Durango
GP Racing
Euronova
Astromega
Avellon
Corbetta
Sighinolfi (Coloni)
Traini (to be confirmed)

Coloni will probably loose 2 teams with the B99's to the F3000Masters, but he is running on 6 circuits where GP2 goes as well and has a GP2 test for the winner.

Kso will struggle to get 14 cars. The teams might be the following:

Adm
JVA
Ombra (representing Carlin)
Fama
Euronova
Pro Motorsport
Motori di Carlotta (what a name for a racing team)
Cek
Cibiemme Team
Woess Racing
Tschagger Motorsport

These 2 championships are on a different level for different teams/drivers. If you want to go towards Renault World Series and/or GP2 you choose the Coloni series.[/QUOTE]

Hi man, sorry but you don't understand completely ...
F3000 Masters will be international championship with Lola B99 and Lola B02 !!! And the standing will be alone !!!
So with the Tv package of Eurosport (54 country in all the world ...), sure many team that last year stay in F.3000 Italia said ciao ciao Coloni this season
You don't think so ????

[concetta]

Hi man, sorry but you don't understand completely ...
F3000 Masters will be international championship with Lola B99 and Lola B02 !!! And the standing will be alone !!!
So with the Tv package of Eurosport (54 country in all the world ...), sure many team that last year stay in F.3000 Italia said ciao ciao Coloni this season
You don't think so ????

[bradrive]

Originally Posted by concetta

Hi man, sorry but you don't understand completely ...
F3000 Masters will be international championship with Lola B99 and Lola B02 !!! And the standing will be alone !!!
So with the Tv package of Eurosport (54 country in all the world ...), sure many team that last year stay in F.3000 Italia said ciao ciao Coloni this season
You don't think so ????

Relax a bit!
I know both organizers personally, mi choice would be with the Coloni's series.
Drivers spend a lot of money, which usually comes from personal ressources and not from sponsors. Let us call these personal ressources "investments" by fathers, friends or whatever. Fact is they spend the money to get their supported drivers closer to F1, which means closer to GP2. You want to run with qualified teams on circuits which you will see again in GP2. The TV package from F3000 Masters will have to be confirmed to start with and secondly is of minor interest to the drivers and their investors. This game is not about visibility but about credibility.
P.S. Have you talked to teams or drivers to get an idea of what they think about this?

[pimbopap]

Yes, Concetta visibility can be very important: but when it is real what do you see in two minutes of highlights it's about a publicity spot (at what time in the day will thes pictures on?....). How many races of the previous F Renault V6 (that was fully live) did you ever see during 2003&2004? And still Renault was getting a good package from the super racing week-end.
I agree with Bradrive it is all about credibility if the organizer doesn't like the package the championship could disappear or become really of low level....beside the tecnical aspect I meant in the previous post.
The Coloni Series is maybe with a lower profile but more reliable if I had a team I would enter that.

[bradrive]

Originally Posted by pimbopap

Yes, Concetta visibility can be very important: but when it is real what do you see in two minutes of highlights it's about a publicity spot (at what time in the day will thes pictures on?....). How many races of the previous F Renault V6 (that was fully live) did you ever see during 2003&2004? And still Renault was getting a good package from the super racing week-end.
I agree with Bradrive it is all about credibility if the organizer doesn't like the package the championship could disappear or become really of low level....beside the tecnical aspect I meant in the previous post.
The Coloni Series is maybe with a lower profile but more reliable if I had a team I would enter that.

The Coloni European series runs over 9races, 2times as a support event to DTM working out of a tent and 7times as a main event having boxes. The MastersF3000 will work out of tents with limited pitlane access all the time.

The Coloni series runs with the electromagnetic Zytek paddleshift gear selection system and has proper F3000International-style Lola and Zytek support engineers and spares-service on the track. The drivers will use leftfoot-braking which is preparing them for WSbyRenault, GP2 and F1.
There will be a Lola-designed aeropackage to improve aero-efficiency on the Coloni series cars. The "MasterF3000-B50/02" would be std ones, but there are no cars around, as there were 21off built by Lola, which are all sold to teams committed to the Coloni series. So the MastersF3000 will run with the old B99's only.

The Coloni scrutineering will have scrutineers that have worked on the cars as mechanics in the past. They are competent. The MastersF3000 scrutineering is not yet defined.
The MastersF3000 series want to apply a weight-handicap to balance the performance between the B50/02 and the B99's. Computersimulation and track experience are indicating that between 30 and 35kg are needed to make the 2 models theoretically equivalent. Try to find a location to safely place this weight on B50/02. You will struggle.

The Coloni series is run as an Fia recognized international championship having defined technical and sporting regulations. There is whitin the championship an option to run only the 5 Italian races and Barcelona to establish a different classification counting towards an Fia-recognized Italian championship open to the B99's only. This is for drivers having less budget and Coloni guarantees that that championship can be run with 180.000euros (damages excluded). The MasterF3000 is still waiting for their Fia ratification and has at the current moment no published technical and sporting rules.

TV: The Coloni has coverage by RaiSat (5min/race), La7 (3min/race), Odeon (5min/race), Nuvolari (5min/race, 4xrepeated), SportItalia (5min/race) guaranteed. The MasterF3000 has coverage promised but not guaranteed on Eurosport1 (2min/race) and Eurosport2 (26min/race, 3xrepeated) and SportItalia (possibly but not sure: 1st race live). So there MIGHT be an advantage for the MastersF3000 in the TV coverage.
By judging the MastersF3000 by their website, this series gives no particular confidence. At least the website of the Coloni series is regurlaly updated.

So, considering all this and the teams allready committed to the Coloni F3000 series,what series has a higher profile?