hsvdt future??

shorty226 · 9 Jul 2008, 22:56 (Ref:2248315)

i Believe that HsvDT is dead with the loss of opes Prime. THe only reason dumbrell is in the 16 car is because he brings autobarn sponsorship. so i think that hsv will die this year and with Rick he will go to Holden Racing Team in the #2 car with Mark Skaife retiring from full time racing and only competing enduros.

billy bigtime · 10 Jul 2008, 00:53 (Ref:2248342)

I can see Rick replacing Mark(I can see anyone replacing Mark!!) but I can't see HSVDT closing down, it is effectively Holdens second factory team and Holden needs all the help they can get on track.

**GTRMagic** · 10 Jul 2008, 00:57 (Ref:2248344)

Would HSVDT be required if 888 is involved in a fully funded manner on the red side?

billy bigtime · 10 Jul 2008, 01:01 (Ref:2248348)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Would HSVDT be required if 888 is involved in a fully funded manner on the red side?

Your a hoot

bluesport · 10 Jul 2008, 01:35 (Ref:2248357)

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Originally Posted by billy bigtime

I can see Rick replacing Mark(I can see anyone replacing Mark!!) but I can't see HSVDT closing down, it is effectively Holdens second factory team and Holden needs all the help they can get on track.

Maybe HSVDT coul be closed down and a 3 car HRT squad created.

billy bigtime · 10 Jul 2008, 01:40 (Ref:2248361)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

Maybe HSVDT coul be closed down and a 3 car HRT squad created.

Still the problem of booms.

shorty226 · 10 Jul 2008, 05:10 (Ref:2248384)

i can see tripple 888 over on the red side. but hsv is running out of money and so is holden and gm

billy bigtime · 10 Jul 2008, 05:49 (Ref:2248392)

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Originally Posted by shorty226

i can see tripple 888 over on the red side. but hsv is running out of money and so is holden and gm

Are they? How much have they got left?

Pro Racer · 10 Jul 2008, 07:13 (Ref:2248448)

IMO Rick would be the perfect replacement for MS GT and him work great together as shown over the last 3 years.

IMO Holden should go hard for 888 then WP can put all there time into HRT and 888 can do themselves, that would be the dream line-up for Holden, 888 wait for 2010 so they can bring CL.

imagine the Holden line-up in 2010 if this were to happen, as a Holden fan i would be over the moon.

Holden 2010 line-up:
Toll Holden Racing Team (Walkinshaw Performance/Walkinshaw Performance)
#2 - Toll/Holden - Garth Tander - VE Commodore
#22 - Toll/Holden - Rick Kelly - VE Commodore

Team Vodafone (888/888)
#88 - Vodafone/Holden - Jamie Whincup - VE Commodore
#888 - Vodafone/Holden - Craig Lowndes - VE Commodore

agosling · 10 Jul 2008, 08:09 (Ref:2248480)

I can see 888 changing to Holden without a problem, they have no brand loyalty and they run GM cars in Europe anyway.

Rather than HSVDT running out of money I see Rick making the logical move to HRT and then them returning to more the young lions concept.

bluesport · 10 Jul 2008, 21:27 (Ref:2248867)

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Originally Posted by agosling

I can see 888 changing to Holden without a problem, they have no brand loyalty and they run GM cars in Europe anyway.

Rather than HSVDT running out of money I see Rick making the logical move to HRT and then them returning to more the young lions concept.

Still there's no advantage in changing from one manufacturer that can't afford to support them to another manufacturer that can't afford to support them either. Just extra costs and more money lost.

billy bigtime · 11 Jul 2008, 03:06 (Ref:2248958)

The problem with Rick is that he's not marketable. His fan base comprises 14 yo girls and the gay community, and even they think he's a dweeb.

davester · 11 Jul 2008, 03:13 (Ref:2248960)

Not that I see 888 leaving Ford just yet, but for the sake of this thread...

888 - Vodafone/HSV/Holden - Whincup
88 - Vodafone/HSV/Holden - Davison

Lowndes to FPR 3rd car.

Chatters · 11 Jul 2008, 03:53 (Ref:2248963)

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Originally Posted by billy bigtime

The problem with Rick is that he's not marketable.

Well, you're right there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy bigtime

His fan base comprises 14 yo girls and the gay community,

True, somewhat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy bigtime

and even they think he's a dweeb.

Damn! Thought we were on track for a somewhat sensible post until then!

I don't think HSVDT will have suffered greatly as a result of Opes Prime collapsing. After all, the only sponsored a door.

shorty226 · 14 Jul 2008, 05:42 (Ref:2250426)

um people sorry to say chatters but opes prime was there major sponsor cause toll is now major sponsor of hrt on the same spot as were opes prime were. I ama major fan of the hsv dealer team and when you think about it paul dumbrell is hopeless at driving and they picked him so they could gain sponsorship which pretty much means they are running out of optins.

aussieracer · 14 Jul 2008, 06:01 (Ref:2250437)

where to for 2009?

Peter Nightingale · 14 Jul 2008, 06:12 (Ref:2250441)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Would HSVDT be required if 888 is involved in a fully funded manner on the red side?

What is going to happen when and if the Red Side pull the pin of which i think will happen very soon.........................................???

TSR · 14 Jul 2008, 07:08 (Ref:2250457)

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Originally Posted by Peter Nightingale

What is going to happen when and if the Red Side pull the pin of which i think will happen very soon.........................................???

I agree Peter, sooner than later.

Micklegend · 16 Jul 2008, 23:49 (Ref:2252274)

I think they will survive, the team has bought holden 2 champions in recent times and has a reasonable fan base, they would be better pinching a sponsor from someone rather than going belly up....im sure holden could help them out in some way. Uncle Tom would not like to lose a "customer", would he?

RotorFan · 17 Jul 2008, 00:54 (Ref:2252313)

What everyone really wants to know, is shorty a pwr fan/pro racer clone?

Bimmerhead · 17 Jul 2008, 01:09 (Ref:2252319)

News about GM out of the USA is not very promising......staff layoffs, further big losses.....US Government is talking about having to help them fund the development of "more appropriate" vehicles.

Pro Racer · 17 Jul 2008, 03:51 (Ref:2252374)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotorFan

What everyone really wants to know, is shorty a pwr fan/pro racer clone?

he is my Mini Me!!!!!

shorty226 · 17 Jul 2008, 05:34 (Ref:2252403)

MINI YOU! lol

cavvy · 17 Jul 2008, 06:15 (Ref:2252416)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micklegend

I think they will survive, the team has bought holden 2 champions in recent times and has a reasonable fan base, they would be better pinching a sponsor from someone rather than going belly up....im sure holden could help them out in some way. Uncle Tom would not like to lose a "customer", would he?

If the title is valued by Holden, I'd think these guys have no problem getting factory money ..... unlike lots of other Holden runners.

Senna05 · 17 Jul 2008, 10:31 (Ref:2252542)

I know this opinion will get flamed, but isn't it naive for ANY team to rely on manufacturer support?

Teams like GRM, PWR, 888 (when it was Briggs) never used to have Ford or Holden support. And with the economy the way it is, I'd have treated manufacturer support as a very welcoem addition, but definitely not the cornerstone for a championship!

I also think that some of these teams need to look a little more at their marketing managers (if they have one). It's basic business - if you know a sponsor is leaving in 12 months, talk to them AND others.

Perhaps the Ford decision has come from left field, but for teams to be "upset" shows some naivity and in my opinion, arrogance.

Short answer now - HSVDT will trudge along. Even if Mr Kelly has to bankroll it for a year, there will be sponsors out there if they look.

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