F3 talk

schitarella · 22 May 2006, 11:14 (Ref:1616177)

hello i was just wondering if anyone know if a driver have race say a year of F3 say in the german series or spain or australia or so on can he then the following year wants to drive in Brit F3 scholarship if there are any restrictions (in age or experience)?

also i see driver ben clacus doing very well in australia how do those who know of him rate his driving from when he was a participator in the very nice UK series?

thank-you

also does anyone know if their will be any lola chassis in euro F3 for 2007 as i see JB motorsports and HS techni are very strong with the lola this year? is there any lola in UK series?

schitarella · 22 May 2006, 12:02 (Ref:1616216)

sorry one more thing.... does anyone happen know or have any idea in the lap difference between a-

- F3 car V.S the new or even old Atlantic race cars
- F3 car V.S palmer audi
- F3 car V.S old V6 renault that races in Asia now
- F3 V.S anything else u may know of

just wondering for the info, sorry

Jackman · 22 May 2006, 15:49 (Ref:1616385)

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Originally Posted by schitarella

hello i was just wondering if anyone know if a driver have race say a year of F3 say in the german series or spain or australia or so on can he then the following year wants to drive in Brit F3 scholarship if there are any restrictions (in age or experience)?

Yes: they need a budget.

hotwheels · 23 May 2006, 17:21 (Ref:1617270)

Why whould this suppoused driver switch from a newer car series, like German or Spanish, to race in Brit Scholarship (against less than a handful drivers)? Wouldn't it be a step back?

But anyway, I imagine there would be no restrictions in the rules. I just wouldn't make many sense.

Chucky · 24 May 2006, 01:27 (Ref:1617550)

Brit scholarship would get more attention than the other two.

I'm not sure what the order of speed would be. I think it would go something like this
FPA
RenV6
Atlantic
F3
FFord
FBMW

Comments anyone?

JohnMiller · 24 May 2006, 06:20 (Ref:1617605)

RenV6
Atlantic
F3
FPA
FBMW
FFord

???

Go_For_Pole · 24 May 2006, 06:42 (Ref:1617613)

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Originally Posted by Chucky

Brit scholarship would get more attention than the other two.

The only attention drivers get there is from Championship class teams looking for the next well funded guy to fill up their line up next year.

In contrast, Spanish F3 drivers race in front of GP2 teams that have the ability to provide a free or at least very cheap ride. They also have races with WTCC and of course the champion gets that Toyota F1 test. If anything they have a plenty of opportunities to impress.

Now, since the talk is generally F3, how about this for news?
http://www.italiaracing.net/news.asp?id=5098&cat=FORMULA_3_INTERNAZIONALE&nome=F.3|INTERNAZ.&cart=news_formula|3|internazionale

Chucky · 24 May 2006, 08:43 (Ref:1617700)

Nice piece of PR work by the Lola marketing team again.

runshaw · 24 May 2006, 14:22 (Ref:1617925)

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Originally Posted by Chucky

I'm not sure what the order of speed would be. I think it would go something like this
FPA
RenV6
Atlantic
F3
FFord
FBMW

Comments anyone?

Not at all, more like:
RenV6
Atlantic
F3
FPA
FBMW
FFord

schitarella · 24 May 2006, 16:27 (Ref:1618021)

yea but we're talking about the old V6 eurocup car not the world series car remember
..

runshaw · 24 May 2006, 16:40 (Ref:1618027)

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Originally Posted by schitarella

yea but we're talking about the old V6 eurocup car not the world series car remember
..

i know we are

schitarella · 24 May 2006, 17:16 (Ref:1618061)

okay cool,,,

Kidzer · 24 May 2006, 17:42 (Ref:1618080)

Aye, the 'old' v6 cars were pretty nippy it has to be said - not so great round corners vs an F3 car though.

Go_For_Pole · 25 May 2006, 07:28 (Ref:1618417)

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Originally Posted by Chucky

Nice piece of PR work by the Lola marketing team again.

The thing is, is it a bad idea overall? I have been hearing that people would like to see F3 switching to S2000 engines anyway and to be fair that would make sense in many ways (better value for manufacturers, more support for teams and drivers etc). WTCC can also provide a fair amount of people on the stands and of course much better TV coverage than any other F3 championship. Single make of chassis apart (which reading the article is not a given) it sounds like a very good plan.

The only one opposing to this would probably be Mercedes, if anything such a series would definitely kill the Euroseries. The cynic in me would think that this whole concept was conceived solely to **** off Herr Haug

Chucky · 25 May 2006, 09:21 (Ref:1618476)

I don't know about killing it off. Replacing would be more correct.

The WTCC engine regs aren't a bad idea. My only reservation is that F3 engine regs have largely remained untouched for a decade since they went from 24mm to 26mm restrictors. Theirs not many touring car rule books that could say that. So my argument is, what happens when touring cars rebirth themselves as something else as they seem to do every 5 or 6 years.

Go_For_Pole · 25 May 2006, 13:06 (Ref:1618640)

We would be having engines with no/limited/ocassional manufacturer support, which is exactly as it is right now.

strider · 25 May 2006, 16:35 (Ref:1618775)

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Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole

The thing is, is it a bad idea overall? I have been hearing that people would like to see F3 switching to S2000 engines anyway and to be fair that would make sense in many ways (better value for manufacturers, more support for teams and drivers etc). WTCC can also provide a fair amount of people on the stands and of course much better TV coverage than any other F3 championship. Single make of chassis apart (which reading the article is not a given) it sounds like a very good plan.

The only one opposing to this would probably be Mercedes, if anything such a series would definitely kill the Euroseries. The cynic in me would think that this whole concept was conceived solely to **** off Herr Haug

One problem is that it would increase engine costs. They would rev higher and need to be rebuilt more often.

There is no doubt that F3 needs more power, though. An increase in the restrictor size to 28mm would be good, but some engines (notably Mercedes) are thought not to be able to take such an increase, so...

It's odd that the idea of a single chassis series from Italy should be looking at Lola as the supplier. You'd think Dallara would be in pole position. Personally, I prefer freedom of choice.

JohnMiller · 25 May 2006, 20:18 (Ref:1618962)

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Originally Posted by foxy mole

There is no doubt that F3 needs more power, though.

Why?

hotwheels · 25 May 2006, 20:37 (Ref:1618979)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnMiller

Why?

Maybe because the current chassis are too good and under-powered these days.

Go_For_Pole · 25 May 2006, 20:59 (Ref:1618996)

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Originally Posted by foxy mole

One problem is that it would increase engine costs. They would rev higher and need to be rebuilt more often.

But that's simplistic, isn't it? If anything the organisers of the WTCC have been very cost consious to date and they could find a solution to keep things reasonable.

Anyway their strong is not cost reduction, rather it's the TV coverage they could offer

strider · 25 May 2006, 23:15 (Ref:1619098)

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Originally Posted by hotwheels

Maybe because the current chassis are too good and under-powered these days.

Exactly, there's too much grip for the current levels of power.

You may also think that there is too much of a gap between F3 and the formulae above, e.g. WSR and and GP2, and too small a gap between F3 and, say, FRenault.

strider · 26 May 2006, 15:03 (Ref:1619545)

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Originally Posted by Go_For_Pole

But that's simplistic, isn't it? If anything the organisers of the WTCC have been very cost consious to date and they could find a solution to keep things reasonable.

Anyway their strong is not cost reduction, rather it's the TV coverage they could offer

You'll have to excuse me there, I'm a simple sort of person.

But I do know what the present costs of leasing an F3 engine are and what a rebuild costs. Any increase over those figures would be frightening.

And, being simplistic again, I don't think that better TV coverage would cure that problem. The FIA is looking to reduce costs in every category, not just F1.

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