Prospective new teams for the FIA F1 World Championship.

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by Skam85

New teams even if they are a backmarker to begin with aren't necessarily a bad thing.

Alonso, Webber, Fisichella, Ricciardo, Bianchi etc all shone in terrible backmarker cars at the start of their careers.

Back marker teams can become front runners over time, and super teams can fall back (lotus Mclaren, williams)

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Im all for more teams, have 13 teams but only 22 or 24 grid spots
Bring back prequalifying, Only the fastest 2 dozen on Friday get to race.
Make Friday matter.

I think that considering the huge cost/investment required to set up a new team, there would be few willing to potentially "throw" that money away if they couldn't get on to the grid. Remember in the dim and distant past that this very thing saw new entrants disappear from the scene fairly promptly because after all the expense of just getting the car/s to the race meeting, they then failed to make it to the race. And in those days the overheads were nowhere near as astronomical as they are today.

[broadrun96]

Yeah, zero chance teams would have the cash to even attempt a pre-qualifying any longer. It's hard enough to get teams money at the rear of the field who race, you want money and a chance of not racing? And say we have rain or something else that screws up the session at you end up with a Red Bull or MB in that group out, the crying over that would be insane

[Richard C]

Agree. Imagine trying to get sponsorship and having to explain that their logo may not even be seen during the race.

Richard

[Mike Harte]

As has been witnessed recently, certainly in the Andretti case, you need a big name - preferably someone or an entity with a large automotive presence - to be a party to a new entry to F1, and there is no way they would pony up something like a half a million dollars to get a car to a circuit with the possibility of not making it to the race day.

If a team like Mercedes, with both their dominance in the past and all the resources that they have to hand, can make a miscalculation as they did for last years car, then it is more than possible that the same will happen to a fledgling team. And then you've blown all the money and have absolutely nothing to show for it as it's highly unlikely that they will have created a car that is a flyer straight out of the box. And I don't think that the investors' board of directors would be particularly happy to see their money go down the drain.

[morninggents]

I agree totally with the last few posts.
It would be good to see another one or two teams on the scene but they have to be quality entrants and not no-hopers.
Andretti seem as if they may fit the bill and a manufacturer like Audi would have the clout to finance a team. What's happened to Audi's possibility of joining the circus? Or are they going to be purely engine suppliers?

[E.B]

Originally Posted by morninggents

I agree totally with the last few posts.
It would be good to see another one or two teams on the scene but they have to be quality entrants and not no-hopers.
Andretti seem as if they may fit the bill and a manufacturer like Audi would have the clout to finance a team. What's happened to Audi's possibility of joining the circus? Or are they going to be purely engine suppliers?

Audi have in place an agreement to purchase and takeover of Sauber which is progressing as planned for Audi to be entering the team formerly know as Sauber as Audi for 2026 when the new engine regs go live. It is that of an increasing shareholding of the team for the next couple of years. I believe it is currently at 25% set to increase later this year.
As of the current time there is so word of any confirmed engine customers they might have beyond their own needs. A few rumours but it seems none beyond rumour or 'possible maybes'

[P38 in workshop]

I see that MBS has been interviewed and he made the comment that it is hard to ignore the involvement of GM in the Andretti bid.He also mentioned that the current rules allow for up to twelve teams.It is,of course,the FIA's championship and their rules.Which will leave Liberty Media to tell the current participants that their current cashflow projections may need to be adjusted if,or when,additional teams are admitted.It might need a little time to plan for a future that involves huge amounts of income instead of unbelievable amounts of income.It also places the FIA in the clear with respect to anti trust or restraint of trade actions.

[Tourer]

Fred's take on new teams.

Assuming that one or more new teams end up joining, might make for some more interesting dynamics in the paddock.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Fred's take on new teams.

Assuming that one or more new teams end up joining, might make for some more interesting dynamics in the paddock.

I hope one or two more teams join. Would really stick it to the snobbery of a lot of F1 teams in the paddock. Especially if Andretti is one of them. I mean, he's proved how good a team boss he is, there's no reason he can't succeed in F1, despite what some F1 bosses say

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I mean, he's proved how good a team boss he is

Yeah, no IndyCar titles in the last ten years speaks volumes doesn't it.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Yeah, no IndyCar titles in the last ten years speaks volumes doesn't it.

That's probably a bit harsh given that unless you are Horner or Wolff, then no team boss in F1 has won a title for much longer.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Yeah, no IndyCar titles in the last ten years speaks volumes doesn't it.

Andretti Autosport won the 500 in 2014, 2016 and 2017, all within the last 10 years, so that's not too shabby as they say, speaks volumes doesn't it?

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Fred's take on new teams.

Assuming that one or more new teams end up joining, might make for some more interesting dynamics in the paddock.

I have to say that I feel Vasseur generally has a very snobbish view or superior view that rubs me the wrong way. I wonder if the fact that the deal between Sauber and Andretti fell apart over control of the team is a factor in Vasseur's constant negativity toward Andretti.

While who knows what all was said in the interview, the article has a number of wishy-washy quotes around a new team needing to bring "something" (not spelled out what), but at the end, it becomes clear it really is about money and probably (not said in the article) that the anti-dilution fee is now too small.

I think there is irony in that some of the same players (Vasseur included) were saying to not bend the rules to allow Colton Herta join F1, but NOW another set of rules which define a $200M anti-dilution fee (that teams think is too low) are wrong and shouldn't be followed. But they are smart enough to not just directly say that. They just hint heavily with double talk about needing to "bring something" (buckets of cash)

Richard

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Andretti Autosport won the 500 in 2014, 2016 and 2017, all within the last 10 years, so that's not too shabby as they say, speaks volumes doesn't it?

Yeah, I know. In a series of limited 'big' teams they are generally last of them.

[Adam43]

In F1 that is the best all but two of the teams can hope for!

Realistically we couldn’t hope for any better pedigree for a potential new team. It’s a let’s keep our club exclusive approach. Which is normal for F1.

[Richard C]

Shifting gears a bit...

https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2023...pratts-bottom/

Joe Saward speaking to paddock rumors regarding seats at RBR and AT for not just next year, but potentially this year (or at least others who are riding Saward's coat tails are playing some of this as "2023 changes"). Given the changes at AT and while this years AT seems to be a dog, the poor performance of de Vries I don't see him in F1 next season. But the interesting rumor is the replacement of Perez with Ricciardo as some type of placeholder until they get a better partner for Max.

I can imagine RBR is VERY frustrated with Perez, but at the same time he sits 2nd in the championship and I don't see them replacing him with someone else for a short period. Especially if while up/down Perez is generally doing "well enough". Someone else, unless they are an established superstar, would be a risk. I view Ricciardo as risky. I think it makes more sense to poach someone who is doing well in another team (I would say Lando, but he has long term McLaren contract). Maybe all of these rumors have been created by RBR to set a fire under Perez to get his act together.

Richard

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Yeah, I know. In a series of limited 'big' teams they are generally last of them.

That isn't a given and there isn't a team championship that can verify that, though there maybe some stats out there that can.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Shifting gears a bit...

https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2023...pratts-bottom/

Joe Saward speaking to paddock rumors regarding seats at RBR and AT for not just next year, but potentially this year (or at least others who are riding Saward's coat tails are playing some of this as "2023 changes"). Given the changes at AT and while this years AT seems to be a dog, the poor performance of de Vries I don't see him in F1 next season. But the interesting rumor is the replacement of Perez with Ricciardo as some type of placeholder until they get a better partner for Max.

I can imagine RBR is VERY frustrated with Perez, but at the same time he sits 2nd in the championship and I don't see them replacing him with someone else for a short period. Especially if while up/down Perez is generally doing "well enough". Someone else, unless they are an established superstar, would be a risk. I view Ricciardo as risky. I think it makes more sense to poach someone who is doing well in another team (I would say Lando, but he has long term McLaren contract). Maybe all of these rumors have been created by RBR to set a fire under Perez to get his act together.

Richard

Does anyone think Ricciardo would do anymore than Checo is?

Max has moved on a gear since Dan was his teammate..

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Shifting gears a bit...

https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2023...pratts-bottom/

Joe Saward speaking to paddock rumors regarding seats at RBR and AT for not just next year, but potentially this year (or at least others who are riding Saward's coat tails are playing some of this as "2023 changes"). Given the changes at AT and while this years AT seems to be a dog, the poor performance of de Vries I don't see him in F1 next season. But the interesting rumor is the replacement of Perez with Ricciardo as some type of placeholder until they get a better partner for Max.

I can imagine RBR is VERY frustrated with Perez, but at the same time he sits 2nd in the championship and I don't see them replacing him with someone else for a short period. Especially if while up/down Perez is generally doing "well enough". Someone else, unless they are an established superstar, would be a risk. I view Ricciardo as risky. I think it makes more sense to poach someone who is doing well in another team (I would say Lando, but he has long term McLaren contract). Maybe all of these rumors have been created by RBR to set a fire under Perez to get his act together.

Richard

Not sure what this has to do with potential new entrants, but I'm not sure I know anyone who would surprised if de Vries was dropped anytime, potentially soon.

Rumours were Lawson, but now talk of Palou.

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Shifting gears a bit..

I can imagine RBR is VERY frustrated with Perez, but at the same time he sits 2nd in the championship

Richard

I think that they think that any half decent driver would be 2nd in that car with the current competition, but if another team pulls a rabbit and finds RBRs secret sauce, or something happen to Max (run of unreliability, punctures, or leaves the team or sport) would Checo be able to fend them off?

Would a reinvigorated Danny R or stealing another top name be a better bet?

I cant comment on the rumours of Mazepin, Latifi and Pastor Maldonado have been in intense discussions with Christian

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Not sure what this has to do with potential new entrants, but I'm not sure I know anyone who would surprised if de Vries was dropped anytime, potentially soon.

Rumours were Lawson, but now talk of Palou.

I mistakenly posted this in this thread and had meant for it to be in the 2023 season thread.

Richard

[S griffin]

Seems the current teams are trying to find any excuse not to let new teams in:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wo...sues/10492792/

I mean come on, we've had 22 cars on the grid as recently as 2016. Didn't seem to make it any more dangerous

[bathurst77]

Share it fairly but dont take a share of my pie

[GTRMagic]

What is one of the new cars from a new team going to look like underneath?
Like the Red Bull with every millimetre cultivated and manicured for optimum performance.. or like a Williams.. a workman like response to a non existent design budget or technologies?