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26 Jul 2003, 09:22 (Ref:671730)
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Vee from the beginning to 1971
Can anyone tell me details of Formula Vee around the beginning. Especially of the Monaco race. I've just bought an Ex works Austro formula Vee and am trying to tie down its year
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27 Jul 2003, 09:11 (Ref:672381)
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Seeing no one has replied to this I will give it a go.I have 2 books on the subject;
'Formula Vee/Super Vee-Racing,History and Chassis/Engine prep' by Andrew L.Schupack and 'The Racing Bugs' by Ross R.Olney & Ron Grable. Unforunately these are both American publications and deal mainly with the US scene.It started in the USA around 1961.From memory arrived in Germany c1964 and in UK on 18 June 1967. Suggest you post the question re Monaco in the Nostalgia Forum of atlasf1.com I'm sure someone there will still have their 1967 Monaco programme! Last edited by Rob29; 27 Jul 2003 at 09:14. |
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27 Jul 2003, 18:14 (Ref:672580)
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I used to have a American Magazine sent by my brother in Seattle,it was all about vw etc, they have a series in usa for historic vees.I am sure someone from there version of hscc might to help to got you info, sorry i cant remember name of mag.
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28 Jul 2003, 04:23 (Ref:672914)
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I have the 1968 programme and there's no mention of Vees that year or in the past results. |
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28 Jul 2003, 06:16 (Ref:672951)
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1967 Milan.1968 it was replaced by F.France.
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28 Jul 2003, 07:32 (Ref:672999)
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I have the 1967 issue of autosport from that years monaco and can't find any evidence of a race or results - help!
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28 Jul 2003, 09:30 (Ref:673090)
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I have the Motoring News report and it doesn't mention any race for Vees. |
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28 Jul 2003, 09:36 (Ref:673098)
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Ask and ye shall receive, Mr Collins!
The entry list for the 1967 Vee Monaco GP support race, officially "le Coupe de S.A.S. le Prince Hereditaire Albert de Monaco (Reservee aux Monoplaces de Formule V)" 100 Siegmund Seligmann - Beach 101 Helmut Kelleners - ?? 102 Juergen Zink - Fuchs 103 Walter Wuenstel - Austro 104 Gunther Huber - Austro 105 Peter Peter - Austro 106 Helmut Marko - Austro 107 Georges Body - Beach 108 Willy Segers - Autodynamic 109 Bernard Goffinet - Beach 110 Henri Balas - Autodynamic 111 Robert Mieusset - Bora 112 Claude Bonnet - Bora 113 Nello Cheli - Bora 114 Patrick Feibelmann - Autodynamic 115 Claude Girard - Autodynamic 116 Nick Brittan - Apal 117 Werner Mueller - Zarp 118 Alain Zurchep - Apal II 119 Lionel Noghes - Beach 120 Charles Lajoux - Autodynamic 121-123 were unnamed Swedish drivers apparently unknown to the programme. Don't have the results to hand, but perhaps Darren Galpin's website can oblige? |
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28 Jul 2003, 09:48 (Ref:673109)
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There is a feature on Vees in 'International Motor Racing Book No2' published in '68.
Formula Vee made its British debut on 8th June 1967 at Silverstone. 15 races were run in the first season on 7 different circuits. The first Championship was won by journalist Nick Brittan with rally driver Jenny Nadin in second place. They were both driving Beach Vees, American imported cars. At the final round there were 27 entries with Bob Mason driving the only British built car in the Championship, He came third in the final standings. A Vee kit could be bought at a very reasonable price in 1967 as there was high demand for a low cost racing Formula ( Formula Ford was invented about the same time). The Vee chassis including bodywork, rear suspension, seat, steering wheel and wiring cost between £300 and £400. The addition of VW parts, engine, transmission, wheels and brakes brought the total price to between £700 - £800. F.Vee started in America 8 years before the British series and was the idea of Hubert Brundage from Florida. He had the idea of taking his standard Beetle, removing the shell and building a special frame to fit the engine, transmission and running gear. Later he had a special chassis built by the Nardi car firm from Italy. Other manufacturers began to produce cars which were initially raced in Formula Junior and Libre events in the USA. In 1966 the SCCA set up a seperate class for them and 11 different manufacturers provided cars. Other countries had their own Vee series', some a year or two before the UK. Volkswagen Motors Ltd promoted the initial Vee Championship in the UK and a number of VW dealers purchased the American Beach. Other versions were the Belgian 'Apal', the South African 'Peco' and Swedish 'Dolling'. However growth in the following seasons in the UK were threatened due to the dominance of a works VW supported car winning the first seven races. There were no less than six well tuned works supported cars with the privateers and dealer entries standing no chance. In 1968, VW realised this threat and the works team was cut to just three cars with one of those only contesting the European Championship. Hope this helps. Last edited by Andrew Kitson; 28 Jul 2003 at 09:51. |
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28 Jul 2003, 10:30 (Ref:673130)
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Ignore my earlier post. The Vee race is mentioned in the GP report.
The Formula Vee race opened proceedings and proved only that such unstable cars should not be allowed near a race track. The only British driver involved, Nick Brittan, arrived at the chocane on his first lap to find a French-driven car sideways on in front of him; he hit it and rolled, falling back on his wheels, fortunately with no personal damage. |
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28 Jul 2003, 10:40 (Ref:673132)
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28 Jul 2003, 11:11 (Ref:673149)
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Yes, same bloke.
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28 Jul 2003, 12:25 (Ref:673203)
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103 Walter Wuenstel - Austro
104 Gunther Huber - Austro 105 Peter Peter - Austro 106 Helmut Marko - Austro These cars - does anyone have anymore info especially pics. (I may own one of them)? From what I can gather Austro was the works VW team, the chassis were built under commission by Porsche (in Austria hence the name). I'm try to get the exact year and history of my chassis as I want to restore it to as near original look as possible (pic would be great) |
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28 Jul 2003, 12:45 (Ref:673229)
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1967 Nick Brittan Dolling & Austro
1968 Gerry Birrell Wooler Austro 1969 Fred Saunders Austro 1971 Brian Henton Austro also info on these cars |
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28 Jul 2003, 15:54 (Ref:673426)
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1967 Nick Brittan Dolling & Austro
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28 Jul 2003, 16:10 (Ref:673441)
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right have been speaking to Stuart Rolt who is pretty sure the car is a '68 model probably ex Brian Henton
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28 Jul 2003, 16:48 (Ref:673461)
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Did'nt Henton stuff that car in a pretty big way ? Altho he did win or finish runner-up in the FVee championship. I was always a big SuperHen fan, he broke thru because of Fvee and Supervee.
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28 Jul 2003, 22:09 (Ref:673739)
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I can't help you with specific information about the Austro FV, but may be can help you the:
Historischer Formel Vau Club e.V. Am Wassergraben 13 32602 VLOTHO Germany Tel. 057335215 Fax. 0573337747 Henk A. Hazelaaar |
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29 Jul 2003, 07:00 (Ref:673930)
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Sorry, no it can't yet...........
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29 Jul 2003, 19:14 (Ref:674581)
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I took this photo of Nick Brittan winning the F Vee event at Rufforth on 14th October 1967. My caption suggests this was a Beach Vee.
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29 Jul 2003, 19:52 (Ref:674628)
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29 Jul 2003, 21:22 (Ref:674714)
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It's funny - but despite the lack of distinguishing features, I looked at that picture and immediately thought.....Rufforth! |
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29 Jul 2003, 21:27 (Ref:674719)
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Actually - on second thoughts, it was probably BECAUSE of the lack of distinguishing features! (Not even any oil drums)
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29 Jul 2003, 21:50 (Ref:674740)
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Yes Cirrus, just see a bleak, featureless scene and it's likely to be Rufforth! There wasn't much in the way of shelter anywhere, so when the rain came down and the wind blew you suffered.
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