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Old 3 Jun 2023, 16:07 (Ref:4159527)   #326
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Old 3 Jun 2023, 16:41 (Ref:4159531)   #327
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The premise of the rules aren't really like that, the start point isn't to all try and build the same mouse trap. It's to get the cars all within the same performance despite very different starting points. You then battle it our on reliability, drivability, consistency, strategy, and endurance.
You then battle in the LMP2 category.
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Old 3 Jun 2023, 17:36 (Ref:4159543)   #328
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In GTE-Am the max is 45kg. Here is a summary of all the BoP and success ballast for the cars in 2023.

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Weight (Kg)
-- Bulletin ----- Track ---FERRARIASTON MARTINPORSCHECORVETTE
1/3/2023Sebring1264126213001289
6/4/2023Portimao1263124512691265
19/4/2023Spa1263124512691265
26/5/2023Le Mans1263124512691265
  488 GTE EVOVANTAGE AMR911 RSR - 19C8.R
Corrections after Sebring and then nothing since.

On top of that there are adjustments for specific entries depending on previous results:
Succes Ballast (kg)
-- Bulletin ----- Track ---#33#77#57#83#21#85
1/3/2023Sebring000000
6/4/2023Portimao302010000
19/4/2023Spa452051055
26/5/2023Le Mans000000
  CORVETTE RACINGDEMPSEY-PROTON RACINGKESSEL RACINGRICHARD MILLE AF CORSEAF CORSEAF CORSE
This is limited to a maximum of 45kg

Corvette #33 has hit the max.

This part is irrelevant for Le Mans as all success ballast is removed.

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MAXIMUM ONBOARD FUEL VOLUME (liter)
-- Bulletin ----- Track ---FERRARIASTON MARTINPORSCHECORVETTE
1/3/2023Sebring898810195
6/4/2023Portimao898810195
19/4/2023Spa898910195
26/5/2023Le Mans889710296
  488 GTE EVOVANTAGE AMR911 RSR - 19C8.R
Aston been given a decent chunk more fuel for Le Mans.

The proxy for engine power

Pboost ratio* (RPM) / MAXIMUM RESTRICTOR DIAMETER (mm)
-- Bulletin ----- Track ---FERRARIASTON MARTINPORSCHECORVETTE
1/3/2023Sebring1.78 (5,500)1.42 (6,000)30.6 mm41.3 mm
6/4/2023Portimao1.78 (5,500)1.42 (6,000)30.6 mm41.3 mm
19/4/2023Spa1.78 (5,500)1.44 (6,000)30.6 mm41.3 mm
26/5/2023Le Mans1.75 (5,500)1.49 (6,000)30.7 mm41.3 mm
  488 GTE EVOVANTAGE AMR911 RSR - 19C8.R
* Boost is set at different RPMs, this just shows the boost at the 5th highest RPM listed. It gives an idea of the overall change as it tends to move the same at all RPM, but it might not.

There is also Minimum Rear Wing Angle with respect to floor adjustments that can be made.
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Old 3 Jun 2023, 18:49 (Ref:4159551)   #329
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Thanks for the clarifications and congrats for another fantastic job. Re the fuel volume (based on the mini allowed to the 488's) I think the RSR's can make one more lap than all others but absolutely not sure about the Astons and 'Vettes. At LM there are many places where you're WOT for a long while. No doubt we'll see another fantastic battle in this category.
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Old 3 Jun 2023, 23:58 (Ref:4159589)   #330
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From s365:

"The FIA and ACO, meanwhile, have confirmed that no additional BoP adjustments will be made to the Hypercar class between Sunday’s test day and race week itself, with the current figures locked in for the duration of the event"

Great to hear, just like they said no BOP changes until after Le Mans, and just like they said only platform changes. Glad they have stabilized things ...
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Old 4 Jun 2023, 01:27 (Ref:4159594)   #331
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Which is now the problem. They said it before.

Arguably, it would actually be quite a reasonable thing to do. Data at the actual circuit!

But I’m fine with the no change.
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What the ACO said was the truth until it wasn’t.
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Old 4 Jun 2023, 18:19 (Ref:4159787)   #333
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As a neutral looking for a titanic battle, i was looking forward to Toyota vs Ferrari. Now looking forward to Porsche vs Cadillac.
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What the ACO said was the truth until it wasn’t.
I think that is their motto
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Old 6 Jun 2023, 15:13 (Ref:4160226)   #335
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Old 6 Jun 2023, 15:16 (Ref:4160227)   #336
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Not only about ACO…

The MaFIA as well?
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Old 6 Jun 2023, 16:38 (Ref:4160251)   #337
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Old 7 Jun 2023, 07:37 (Ref:4160338)   #338
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Get the important question in first. When's the last point that BOP can be adjusted for the Hypercars?
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When's the last point that BOP can be adjusted for the Hypercars?
Next question, please…
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Get the important question in first. When's the last point that BOP can be adjusted for the Hypercars?
Monza, haha
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Get the important question in first. When's the last point that BOP can be adjusted for the Hypercars?
The warm up lap.
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Thank goodness. I thought all the similar times in testing were some sort of sandbagging for BOP purposes.
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Thank goodness. I thought all the similar times in testing were some sort of sandbagging for BOP purposes.
It is because of BoP! That makes the cars close!

They aren’t driving around looking at the timing screen saying, “I know I’ll set the same time as the others.”

And sandbagging is often attributed to test times. Even before BoP. Whereas the teams are actually just going through their programs. And not trying for times.

Be prepared to be surprised that times get quicker through the week!
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It is because of BoP! That makes the cars close!

They aren’t driving around looking at the timing screen saying, “I know I’ll set the same time as the others.”

And sandbagging is often attributed to test times. Even before BoP. Whereas the teams are actually just going through their programs. And not trying for times.

Be prepared to be surprised that times get quicker through the week!

Fully expect qualifying times to be down to 3:24 and under and race laps in the 3:28 region. ****ed at myself that I missed the deadline for the prediction thread (Timezone woes)
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I’m hoping for a 23s.
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with Ferrari, Toyota, Porsche, and Cadillac with 2 cars apiece in the Hyperpole tomorrow, it looks like he powers that be have accomplished what they have set out to present. Even the entire Hypercar field was only a few tenths apart, when you consider the number of entrants involved.
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with Ferrari, Toyota, Porsche, and Cadillac with 2 cars apiece in the Hyperpole tomorrow, it looks like he powers that be have accomplished what they have set out to present. Even the entire Hypercar field was only a few tenths apart, when you consider the number of entrants involved.
Yeah, it looks good so far, but I don't think we'll know the full story until hour 2 or 3 of the race.
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I’m hoping for a 23s.

I think Toyota will hit about 1:23:750. Will Ferrari be faster? Possibly. The car looks a touch faster over a single lap than the Toyotas, but it looks absolutely on the ragged edge while doing it.


Hyperpole is gonna be quite entertaining. Looks like the Porsches sold some bags of sand.
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Looks like the Porsches sold some bags of sand.
And seems the buyer was Peugeot I was really hoping for that shitbox to show some pace but no... it's a doomed concept imo.
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