[WEC] BoP. Brilliant or Pants.

[Matador]

LOL. Look here;


https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...vamp/10534166/

[JT240Z]

Basically, what I've been saying. BoP=Politics.

[ArnageWRC]

BoP is less transparent than handicapping in horse racing.....

If you say you won't change it, then you don't. If you've got it wrong - tough!!

[tomcug]

It's simple, every manufacturer is lobbying for rules that they like most

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by ArnageWRC

If you say you won't change it, then you don't.

Well, so true. In principle. Knowing that its not Paddington country you've better prepare yourself to have some suprises.

I'm curious to see the effects of the arrangement Peugeot got a while ago for the "new" car tho. Are the other competitors fully aware is another question.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by ArnageWRC

BoP is less transparent than handicapping in horse racing.....

What isn’t transparent about it in comparison to horse racing? In the comparison with horse racing aspects it is the same or more. You know the weight of the horse in BoP. In WEC you also know the power of the horse and you also know the horse was built to be approximately the same size and shape (in the bits that affect the performance).

Which bits do you need more transparency. When you watch horse racing what transparent things do you pay attention to?

Not that it’s trying to do quite the same thing as handicapping.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

I'm curious to see the effects of the arrangement Peugeot got a while ago for the "new" car tho. Are the other competitors fully aware is another question.

“Arrangement”? What do you mean? Something underhand? What are they doing that we all need more awareness of?

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Adam43

“Arrangement”? What do you mean? Something underhand? What are they doing that we all need more awareness of?

There are some questions on how much you're allowed to change after the car is homologated (which the Peugeot is) and if they're being allowed to change more than you'd normally be allowed, because the car is struggling so much.

[veeten]

The change of the rear body geometry, including a rear wing and diffuser. They are basically abandoning the wingless design for a conventional one.

[tomcug]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Which bits do you need more transparency. When you watch horse racing what transparent things do you pay attention to?

It's probably a reference to pre-LM BOP change that wasn't supposed to happen according to inital agreement (but was needed to be done anyway).

[Adam43]

Maybe so. They did go back on what they said. Although I’d attribute that to bad management rather than a lack of transparency.

I also think the more important change there were the tyre warmers.

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by tomcug

It's probably a reference to pre-LM BOP change that wasn't supposed to happen according to inital agreement (but was needed to be done anyway).

The BOP change before Le Mans increasing Ferrari's chances of victory, but after Le Mans, the ACO liquidated the Ferraris so that Toyota could easily win the championship.

[Adam43]

They did that on purpose to fix the result?

[veeten]

Originally Posted by Adam43

They did that on purpose to fix the result?

Nah, that's just personal opinion. Always remember, the original deal was to use BoP to balance between the two builds (LMH & LMDh) than the manufacturers involved. It's the center to the "convergence" between the three parties.

[Adam43]

No, it was always both.

Before Le Mans they said they would, at that specific point in time, only use it to balance LMDh and Hypercar specifically. Which made sense.
Overall it is for both and was fine to use within platforms, but they had said they weren’t going to.

It’s not what they did as such that was the problem, but that they went against what they’d said before.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Adam43

No, it was always both.

Before Le Mans they said they would, at that specific point in time, only use it to balance LMDh and Hypercar specifically. Which made sense.
Overall it is for both and was fine to use within platforms, but they had said they weren’t going to.

It’s not what they did as such that was the problem, but that they went against what they’d said before.

Every time I read the thread title I say to myself, "should it be and/or"?

[Adam43]

[TF110]

Bop is "brilliantly pants"

[hondafan37]

7 kg less for Porsche and Cadillac in Bahrain.

https://www.endurance-info.com/auto/...dillac-bahrein

[Adam43]

That’s relative to the previously published Bahrain BoP and on top of the changes that were coming after Fuji.

Both those cars lose 1MJ in a stint. Could be because they are lighter.

[veeten]

Originally Posted by Adam43

That’s relative to the previously published Bahrain BoP and on top of the changes that were coming after Fuji.

Both those cars lose 1MJ in a stint. Could be because they are lighter.

At least the site were kind and provided you with a table, the dears.

[Adam43]

BoP Table update. Just 2023 BoP.

Weight (Kg)

-- Bulletin --	--- Track ---	TOYOTA	GLICKENHAUS	ORECA	PEUGEOT	CADILLAC	FERRARI	PORSCHE	VANWALL
8/3/2023	Sebring	1062	1030		1049	1038	1057	1048	1030
8/3/2023	Portimao	1043	1030		1042	1035	1040	1045	1030
31/5/2023	Le Mans	1080	1030		1042	1046	1064	1048	1030
3/7/2023	Monza	1080	1030		1046	1032	1069	1049	1030
3/7/2023	Fuji	1080	1030		1038	1039	1076	1054	1030
3/7/2023	Bahrain	1080	1030		1041	1037	1075	1053	1030
26/10/2023	Bahrain	1080	1030		1041	1030	1075	1046	1030
		GR010 Hybrid	-- 007 LMH --	---- R13 ----	---- 9X8 ----	- V-Series.R	--- 499P ----	---- 963 ----	Vandervell 680

Energy Allocation (MJ)

-- Bulletin --	--- Track ---	TOYOTA	GLICKENHAUS	ORECA	PEUGEOT	CADILLAC	FERRARI	PORSCHE	VANWALL
8/3/2023	Sebring	913	911		909	905	908	912	900
8/3/2023	Portimao	904	913		908	904	899	910	901
31/5/2023	Le Mans	908	913		908	905	901	910	901
3/7/2023	Monza	908	916		914	890	893	899	913
3/7/2023	Fuji	907	909		908	894	898	906	903
3/7/2023	Bahrain	908	909		908	895	901	909	906
26/10/2023	Bahrain	908	909		908	894	901	908	906
		GR010 Hybrid	-- 007 LMH --	---- R13 ----	---- 9X8 ----	- V-Series.R	--- 499P ----	---- 963 ----	Vandervell 680

Max Power (kW)

-- Bulletin --	--- Track ---	TOYOTA	GLICKENHAUS	ORECA	PEUGEOT	CADILLAC	FERRARI	PORSCHE	VANWALL
8/3/2023	Sebring	517	520		518	513	515	517	511
8/3/2023	Portimao	512	520		516	513	509	516	512
31/5/2023	Le Mans	512	520		516	513	509	516	512
3/7/2023	Monza	507	520		520	498	497	506	520
3/7/2023	Fuji	514	520		520	505	505	514	520
3/7/2023	Bahrain	514	520		520	504	505	514	520
26/10/2023	Bahrain	514	520		520	504	505	514	520
		GR010 Hybrid	-- 007 LMH --	---- R13 ----	---- 9X8 ----	- V-Series.R	--- 499P ----	---- 963 ----	Vandervell 680

Also have the power to weight chart. This goes back tto the beginning of Hypercar.

[Gerard C]

Max speed at Bahrein should be 250/280 kph with corners below 130 kph. With lap times below 2' strategy and traffic management will be important. Lets hope for dry weather… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x59CiGIGyo8 (till the end…).

[tomcug]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

Max speed at Bahrein should be 250/280 kph

With some tow 290+ Also with this BOP I think Porsche can't complain, they have a good weight offset for tyre wear and they're in the higher power category, same as Toyota. Cadillac and Ferrari should be struggling less compared to Fuji, Peugeot will be strong. Those are my expectations

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by tomcug

Those are my expectations

We have the same.