Monaco must disappear as a racing track

JVA · 27 May 2001, 18:24 (Ref:97361)

It is boring to see the modern F1 cars race in Monaco. The track is not at all a racing track.

DC was a lot quicker then Bernoldi and he coudn't pass him at all.

It is the same with the Hungaroring. The races there are boring.
I know that it is a tradition to race in Monaco but racing like this isn't racing at all.

PS: How can I make a poll of this question?

Gerard · 27 May 2001, 19:24 (Ref:97393)

JVA, there's already a thread about this subject here

You are right in saying DC was a lot quicker than Bernoldi but I believe Bernoldi should get the credits for that. He drove a great race.
Besides, the other Arrows driver, Jos Verstappen, passed three cars (while racing) so it's not totally impossible.

JVA · 27 May 2001, 19:35 (Ref:97397)

Sorry, I didn't see it.

R · 27 May 2001, 19:40 (Ref:97399)

The link is wrong, Gerard. It took me to a thread on Ferrari photographs in the Historic Forum.

Monaco not being a racing track is one of the reasons why I think this is a great venue. The other reasons are history and heritage (yes, I believe it counts for a lot).

We must have some diversity. All tracks can't be boring, ultramodern like the awful Nurburgring or the "king of producing boring races"; Barrrrrrrthelona.

I actually found the race today quite exciting. Just a shame Rubens didn't overtake TGF at the end!

And - the track is not at all as dangerous as it's made out to be. Has anyone else than poor Bandini lost their lives there? Are there any other tracks with a long history that can say something like that?

**Bononi** · 27 May 2001, 19:45 (Ref:97401)

Ditto, R.

Speed · 27 May 2001, 20:26 (Ref:97423)

Quote:

Originally posted by JVA
It is boring to see the modern F1 cars race in Monaco. The track is not at all a racing track.

DC was a lot quicker then Bernoldi and he coudn't pass him at all.

It is the same with the Hungaroring. The races there are boring.
I know that it is a tradition to race in Monaco but racing like this isn't racing at all.

Took my words off my hands !!!

steve nielsen · 27 May 2001, 20:43 (Ref:97430)

Yep I agree, I do have a suggestion for the track that should replace Monaco or Hungary: Zandvoort, the new track is great and challenging:

Gerard · 27 May 2001, 20:43 (Ref:97431)

Thanks R, for pointing me to the wrong link. It now works.
steve, great suggestion!!

**Bononi** · 27 May 2001, 20:49 (Ref:97433)

Nice track Steve !!

Could you give us more information about it ? Length ? Whatever ?

But let Monaco stay !

SL · 27 May 2001, 21:01 (Ref:97437)

I agree with most here, lets keep Monaco. It is a true racers circuit and lets teams that might not have a good engine a chance. DC would not have been 5th without all of the retirments. The drivers say that they like the track as it is a challange. Monaco is one of the 3 famous tracks known to almost everyone (Le Mans & Indy the other 2) It is a figure head of racing and about the only race I would give anything to watch on the F1 calender

SL

steve nielsen · 27 May 2001, 21:02 (Ref:97439)

Ok: the Zandvoort circuit:

4300 meters long

track record:

Jos Verstappen (HOL)
Formula 1 (demo) - Arrows A21 Supertec 1:22.053

here is the new grandstand they have build this year(designed by the same people that did Hockemnheim and Sepang):

more info on www.circuit-zandvoort.nl

**Bononi** · 27 May 2001, 21:10 (Ref:97445)

Thanks Steve ! I'm going check it out !

TimD · 27 May 2001, 21:55 (Ref:97470)

Tell you what - if they give Zandvoort a licence to run a GP, I shall be there as fast as my legs will carry me. I always wanted to see a race there.

I certainly think Monaco should stay. The unique challenges it throws at the drivers are what make for a rounded, skilled World Champion. If there was little visible passing this afternoon, I was kept on the edge of my seat by the constant anticipation of a spectacular pass.

Oh-oh, I'm starting to sound like Max Mosley....

"Nurse!"

Alan Jones · 27 May 2001, 22:01 (Ref:97479)

I think the best part of Monaco isn't passing but the rate of attrition. You never really know just who is going make it and the last couple of races have been interesting from this point if nothing else......

**Bononi** · 27 May 2001, 22:03 (Ref:97480)

It seems fine !!!!

It makes me think about the new formula coming. Certainly Zandvoort will show up with a possible venue for them...

RT · 27 May 2001, 22:03 (Ref:97481)

Noooooo !!! Don't take Monaco off the schedule. It's one of the few sieves for talent that we've got. It should be kept just for the fact that it so sharply separates flashy form from true substance.

Closing Monaco is like closing Chateau Latour of De la Romanee Conti on the basis that you can get a hangover.

Put up with the inconveniences, pad the walls or whatever but keep the tradition going !!

EERO · 27 May 2001, 22:07 (Ref:97484)

Formula 1 without Monaco would be a very different animal. I would hate to see it go away. I think there is room on the schedule for one track which places a premium on downforce and makes passing difficult. if all the tracks were the same and stressed the same sorts of performance, I think it would be pretty dull.

I always loved Zandvoort and think that the new scheme loooks pretty good. However I have always read that its proximity to the shore meant that drifting sand severly effected the grip on the racing surface. Wouldn't the current breed of F1 car be a real handful in this environment?

**Bononi** · 27 May 2001, 22:12 (Ref:97486)

Oh, really ?

Sand makes it look like a slippery surface... a new challenge !!

Speed · 27 May 2001, 22:26 (Ref:97496)

Quote:

Originally posted by SL
...and lets teams that might not have a good engine a chance.

This sounds like a Red Cross Ad...
Chances ???, why ???, go and get more money for a better engine (sad but true). That's the essence of this, improvement, evolution, technology !, there are other Series for "equal opportunities".

JeremySmith · 28 May 2001, 08:54 (Ref:97694)

Zandvoort,nice track Steve I would love to see that replace Austria..Monaco is SUCH a large a part of Formula1 history it would be a shame to see it go..It's the great equaliser, relying on pure driving skill and how well the machinery can hold up.. Take Malaysia gorgeous looking track yet it tends to produce bland races..Feels dead to me like the spectators are not part of the action. Stands look empty when they are not..

KEEP MONACO!!

RussianFriend · 28 May 2001, 09:28 (Ref:97707)

F1 can't be the same without Monaco, which is the strong link between old legendary F1 and modern racing. This circuit is honest rating of driver skills , while most of the rest are engine-tracks.

RALFANATOR · 28 May 2001, 09:51 (Ref:97716)

its slow its boring and most of all its OUTDATED!!!!
get rid of it

Ray Bell · 28 May 2001, 10:31 (Ref:97721)

Slow and outdated, yes. Boring? Never!

But most of all, it's the essential link with a glamorous past that helps sell the racing to the world. It has to stay.

RALFANATOR · 28 May 2001, 10:49 (Ref:97726)

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray Bell

But most of all, it's the essential link with a glamorous past that helps sell the racing to the world. It has to stay.

I do see your point though

geez Ray thats twice 2nite
great minds right (lol lol )

Ray Bell · 28 May 2001, 10:54 (Ref:97729)

Great minds... really great minds...

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