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2 Dec 2002, 10:40 (Ref:441010)
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Arrows out
Stop press.
The FIA have rejected Arrows entry for 2003. What now for them? |
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2 Dec 2002, 10:42 (Ref:441012)
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Formula Boss? They could sign an "ace" like Phil Andrews or Max Wakefield....
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2 Dec 2002, 10:50 (Ref:441017)
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"An application to compete in the 2003 championship was also received from Arrows Grand Prix International but was declined for reasons which have been communicated to the Arrows team."
The only TBAs on the entry list are the 2nd Jordan seat, both Minardi drives, and the full name of the Minardi team. |
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2 Dec 2002, 10:55 (Ref:441018)
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I can already see the top team fielding three cars each in 2004. Very sorry for Arrows: they join Lotus, Brabham, BRM, Tyrell etc, etc, etc. on the long list of ex-F1 teams. At least they hold a record: most GPs without a win.
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2 Dec 2002, 10:59 (Ref:441022)
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Well this is very disappointing, but not unexpected. I must admit that even I was holding onto a little piece of hope for the Arrows team, however unlikely it was.
And Mr Jordan, you too are a disappointment. You also said a few months ago your driver line-up was finalised, and Sato was safe. Obviously not. Please note EJ was happened to the last team boss that started screwing drivers. |
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2 Dec 2002, 11:00 (Ref:441023)
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Somebody better break it gently to this guy, he's spent $50M of somebody's money for, what looks like - nothing!!
From allaboutarrows.co.uk "This latest ‘up’ has it’s roots in a series of quotes given by Oliver Behring, an investment banker for Asset Trust & Partners. According to Behring, his company has bought a 60% stake in the Arrows team for $50million, in the name of a currently unregistered company called German Grand Prix Racing GmbH. The expectation is that a member of Dubai’s ruling family, Prince Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum, will make a serious investment in the team. This falls neatly in line with debates that the team will not be saved for real unless the FIA approve their application to enter the 2003 championship. On that very subject, the 37 year old, has indicated that there is an agreement between Tom Walkinshaw and the FIA that Arrows will be allowed to enter the 2003 championship. According to interviews with the German press there is “a 99.95% chance” that this will happen. Behring has also insisted that Morgan Grenfell are no longer an opposition to the team’s future, although the fact that there is a court hearing in early December - concerning a claim over securities from the investment company - throws this statement into doubt. The doubt over his words doesn’t stop there either. He has admitted that he has had talks with potential drivers, including Jos Verstappen and Fernando Alonso. This is despite Alonso being confirmed with Renault, and strong rumours that Verstappen is destined for a seat in a Cosworth powered Minardi." |
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2 Dec 2002, 11:15 (Ref:441031)
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Well as ridiculous as that all sounds (especially the part about Alonso) it starts to make sense when you read the source. This is a joke.
The FIA would'nt have taken this step if Arrows really had a deal put together. They gave Tom as much time as they could, but today they needed the proof and he obviously failed to deliver. R.I.P. Arrows |
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2 Dec 2002, 12:35 (Ref:441085)
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2 Dec 2002, 12:36 (Ref:441086)
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Maybe TW advised the FIA that he will be too busy running Jaguar next year.
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2 Dec 2002, 13:24 (Ref:441109)
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2 Dec 2002, 15:13 (Ref:441157)
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2 Dec 2002, 15:17 (Ref:441160)
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o well.....that is that then !....3 car teams for next year i suppose .
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2 Dec 2002, 15:45 (Ref:441180)
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Not with 20 cars on the grid.
We'll just have to wait for Jordan and Minardi to go under first... |
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2 Dec 2002, 15:53 (Ref:441190)
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F1 is dead, buried in the Boot Hill, 45 caliber hole in the forehead...
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2 Dec 2002, 17:01 (Ref:441239)
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It's dying, folks. Look. It's happening right here, right infront of us. No significant investment on the horizon. Do not underestimate the size of the black cloud on the horizon.
I always like Arrows, purley because their cars were always INTERESTING, something from way out the left feild. Last years car was a fine example of this, and a fine F1 car to boot. Will be missed. |
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2 Dec 2002, 20:51 (Ref:441371)
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I think Arrows had gone ages ago and Tom didn't have the guts to admit it
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2 Dec 2002, 21:44 (Ref:441392)
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Ugh, the current atmosphere in F1 reminds me of when Jumpin Joe Heitzler ran CART off of turn 1 and into obscurity (Sorry, Pook, but there's only one way you can steer a sinking ship).
I don't see Eccelstone doing anything but harm to F1. On topic. It was no surprise to me to learn that Arrows went out. No sponsor, no engines, no drivers, no development and *no money*. Looks like Jordan is next. Not that I mind because I really don't care for EJ at all. Perhaps all here at F1 Rogues can pool out lunch money together and buy Jordan! |
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2 Dec 2002, 21:49 (Ref:441396)
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Agreed Yoong Montoya. Arrows was dead months ago. The true shame of this was the hope thats now shattered amongst the staff.
As for the "chicken little's" crying the sky is falling, it's not really that bleak. Granted F1 is not at the top of it's game, and changes need to be made, but I still think there is light at the end of the tunnel. It was only 12-18 months ago that Max and Bernie told us everthing was rosie, and nothing needed to be changed. They were trying to convince us that the show was fine, and that pitstop passing was what we wanted. Alot has changed now. The powers that be are far more aware of each teams financial strengths than us, and with the knowledge other teams are a little shaky is pushing them in the right direction. There is too much money to be lost and ego's damaged for them to not work very hard to fix F1's current woes. |
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2 Dec 2002, 21:53 (Ref:441399)
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2 Dec 2002, 21:55 (Ref:441401)
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2 Dec 2002, 22:24 (Ref:441421)
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In reality, Arrows was dead months ago. The news today just confirms what many of us have known deep down for quite some time. But it's sad about the false hope that was created for so many people.
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2 Dec 2002, 23:36 (Ref:441458)
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True, R, but it shouldn't have happened.
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3 Dec 2002, 02:02 (Ref:441503)
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No surprise their application was rejected. They were a laughing stock and have lost all credibility in the F1 paddock.
One team down, ten to go... |
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3 Dec 2002, 02:09 (Ref:441507)
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It almost seems like people want F1 to die. Cheer up.
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3 Dec 2002, 03:13 (Ref:441521)
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Seems like 2002 is the Year of the Pessimist in motorsports. Seriously, that "glimmer of hope" was a PR scam, falsified from start to finish. In Walkinshaws world a team with no money, engines, or dirvers might be able to race but not in ours. Maybe im a sucker but I think theres a lot to look forward to; some good, some bad but the series will live on.
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