Mystery 936

[Dr. Austin]

OK, cybers, what is it?

[cybersdorf]

Porsche.

[Dr. Austin]

OK, i will save the painting techniques for another thread, so here is the body with the paint work already done. The model is a record "kit." It came in a record box, but i can assure you that it is a Solido Porsche 936. I have done about 50 of them, so you can believe me.

Here is the body laid out and ready for decalling. I have left off the airbox because it is plastic, and if the decals don't work out, i can strip it and use a set of spare Martini decals. the stripper will eat the plastic. I also left out the headlights for now because of the same phenomenon.

This is an old model, so rather than risk it, i shot a coat of plastikote clear lacquer on the whole sheet. this will hold the decals together if they are bad. When some of them go bad, they explode into a million little pieces when they hit the water. they get dried out and have microscopic cracks in them you can't see. when it hits the waterm ka-blooey! Of course, not you will have to cut the decals out one at a time as closely as you can. Do too many like this in a row and building suuddently loses alot of it's fun.

[Dr. Austin]

ok, HERE is the body ready for decals. you would think i could remember how to post a picture by now.

[cybersdorf]

Originally posted by cybersdorf
Porsche.

More to the point, the Joest Racing-built 936, chassis no. 004.

[cybersdorf]

We talked about this car a while back, remember?
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...Porsche+936%2A

[Dr. Austin]

Dr. austin's first rule of decalling is to do the graphics first. generally, any sponsor decals will go on the car after the stripes or color seperations, but if I said always, one would pop up to prove me wrong. here is the body with the strips on it, read for all the sponsorship decals and numbers.

[Dr. Austin]

Originally posted by cybersdorf
We talked about this car a while back, remember?
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...Porsche+936%2A

I checked the thread and all the words "Porsche" and "936"
we in RED! How DID you do that?

So, this was an interseries car? I've seen the Warsteiner and the "Kremer" viariant, but this one is news to me. i thought it would be an obscure one would know about, but i haven't been able to slip one past you yet.

[Dr. Austin]

another view

[Dr. Austin]

Here she is dry assembled. after this, she get disassembled, cleaned and sent off to Bob Davault's automodelli for clearcoating. She doesn't look too bad right now, but the ChromaClear will really put a nice luster on her.

Check out those wheels. I used a time honored technique on those. first i painted them white and clearcoated them. then I used a solution of VERY thin black paint. I used Tamiya black with alot of Tamiya thinner. You could hold the jar up to the light and see through it. I floated that into the groove between the wheel cover and the simulated rim. when the thinner evaporated, the surface tension pulled the black paint into the corner. Va-voom. Looks like hours of slave labor but only took seconds.

The technique is called "black washing." It works great on ribbed gearboxes and engines. Makes the detail just pop right out. When it pulls into the corners, it acts like a shadowing effect. Not my trick, but i like to use it because it works.

[Dr. Austin]

Originally posted by cybersdorf


More to the point, the Joest Racing-built 936, chassis no. 004.

So is this the car that was originally 908/80?

[cybersdorf]

Originally posted by Dr. Austin
So is this the car that was originally 908/80?

Yep - I believe this is the way it looked throughout most of 1981 when it ran at Le Mans (14th for Joest/Niedzwiedz/Whittington), and came 2nd in the Interserie (driver J. Mass). It also scored a 2nd in the 'Ring 1000 and a win in the Kyalami 9hrs (Mass/Joest).

[cybersdorf]

(...how did I do that - easy: looked it up and pretended I'd known it all along )

Originally posted by Dr. Austin
So, this was an interseries car? I've seen the Warsteiner and the "Kremer" viariant, but this one is news to me.

Then you may not know these either:

here's what "old faithful", the Joest 936 #004, looked like a year later - it ran in the 1982 DRM (which hadn't been open for prototypes before), and went head to head with the Gp.5 supercars (Capri turbo, M1, 935, Beta Montecarlo...) in the hands of Bob Wollek who drove it to the title. This was the one race where Hans Heyer stood in for Brilliant Bob.



and here is one I can't figure out - as you can see, it is in '78 configuration but it might be #004 again, in the Interseries in 1980. Not sure. (looks like J. Mass in the car...?)



...and do you recognise this one, in the background?

[Dr. Austin]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cybersdorf




and here is one I can't figure out - as you can see, it is in '78 configuration but it might be #004 again, in the Interseries in 1980. Not sure. (looks like J. Mass in the car...?)

i have a kit of this one and the box says it is "Kremer 1982" and that is all. I assume it was an interseries car, but look at those skirts! with the underside sloping upwards a little, I think they may have actually gotten some ground effects out of it.


"...and do you recognise this one, in the background?"

i think that is a 908. And that sure looks like Mass sitting on that 935.

[Dr. Austin]

And here is a better picture of it. I am sure this is a 908 because i once had the kit in my hands, but didn't grab it. I am still kicking myself.

[cybersdorf]

I should have known I can't fool the man who has built more Porsches than Porsche! Yes, it is a turbocharged 908, designated 908/4. The 936ish airbox was added for 1981. Maybe you can build a "custom" version yourself, just like Joest did
Here's a better shot of it; Rolf Stommelen is at the wheel.



Sorry for the size of these images, btw.

Why do I like open sportscars better? Look at this. Any further questions?



(now that I have linked to half his pictures I think I should give the photographer's web site a quick mention - have a look: http://www.racing.stephan-kremer.de)

[Dr. Austin]

Are you kidding? that 936C is toooo cooooool!!!!!

here is another variant of the 936C, but this one is by Kremer, Cybers would know for sure, but i think this is called a CK-5.

And where are you getting all the great photos from? i grab every photo I can get my hands on, so clue me in.

[Dr. Austin]

But, of course, we are doing this all backwards. here is the very first 936.

[cybersdorf]

Originally posted by Dr. Austin
here is another variant of the 936C, but this one is by Kremer, Cybers would know for sure, but i think this is called a CK-5.

It sure is. Both Joest and Kremer independently built Gp.C cars based on the 936 design; but I think the Joest car was the more successful of the two (it was around for a while; Joest passed it on to Brunn - not Brun - who continued to campaign it for some time).

The first 936 looks very reminiscent of the 917/30 it indirectly stemmed from, I think. Still, the /80 version looks much better. They should have kept the black, though; with the exception of the Warsteiner livery, all colour schemes have white as the basic colour which makes things a little dull. Still, there are so many liveries it is hard to believe there were only 5 chassis in all. The 936 is probably my favourite Porsche; I wish they had built three times as many 936s and half as many 956/962s!

[Dr. Austin]

There were only 5? does that mean the original 3, plus joest's car and only one Kremer? I've seen that CK-5 in several liveries and even two of them in thae same race. Or are you not counting the later replicas?

[cybersdorf]

Originally posted by Dr. Austin
There were only 5? does that mean the original 3, plus joest's car and only one Kremer? I've seen that CK-5 in several liveries and even two of them in thae same race. Or are you not counting the later replicas?

There were 3 works cars (one of which was effectively retired in 1977), 1 Joest and 1 Kremer spyder; these are the only cars with 936-00* chassis numbers. The Gp.C cars aren't really 936s anymore, are they?

[Dr. Austin]

So the group c cars must have had either counterfiet chassis or different ones. with the three originals in the museam and Joest's car, there are still the Grand Prix International and Gulf cars, which both ran in LeMans 84. so that is six cars. did someone build their own chassis maybe?

[Dr. Austin]

OK, i think i found the answer to this mystery. I dug this up and the caption says 'Hockenheim 83," so if that is correct, we have the answer. When you consider this car began life with mostly 917 and 908 parts, porsche really got their money out of those projects!

[Dr. Austin]

OK, i think i found the answer to this mystery. I dug this up and the caption says 'Hockenheim 83," so if that is correct, we have the answer. When you consider this car began life with mostly 917 and 908 parts, porsche really got their money out of those projects!

[cybersdorf]

All the 936 spyders still exist so the Gp.C chassis were "clones", or cars based on the 936 design. Joest only built one, I think; Kremer had more than one but I don't know how many (something like three or thereabouts).
It's a pity that Kremer seemingly doesn't want to do any racing anymore - the 936-005 could run with the Gp.C/GTP "historics" (I'm sure they'd let it). The same goes for other late model Gp.6 cars as well. Remember the turbo Alfa T33s? You never see such cars on the track anymore. They are the forgotten prototypes.
Same goes for the Porsche 961 although I'm not sure where that could run these days.