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Old 18 Dec 2019, 17:16 (Ref:3947386)   #1
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Hmmmm not sure how I feel about this...introducing 'HYPERPOLE'!
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Old 18 Dec 2019, 17:33 (Ref:3947387)   #2
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I much prefer the IMSA format, where each class qualifies separately in a short session.
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Old 18 Dec 2019, 17:51 (Ref:3947391)   #3
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I liked the extended qualifying format we have been getting. Nothing wrong with it in my opinion. It sounds like now there is a chance to set a faster time in the first q session that won't be topped in the fast 6 shootout, but you can have a slower time in the shootout and be on pole as long as you are the fastest of that session?

And 45 minutes with all the cars going for it sounds like a recipe for disaster, collisions, blocking, all that.
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Old 18 Dec 2019, 18:57 (Ref:3947399)   #4
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Hmmmm, I loved the sensation of sitting on GS 22 just before midnight Thursday evening in the dark (if it wasn't raining) waiting for the pole time to be set. At least that's how it was in the Peugeot/Sarrazin days. Can't remember how many times pole has been set thursday midnight since then. And now we are going to have free practice for the last two hours. Who on earth came up with that idea? Not someone who has been there for certain!
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Old 18 Dec 2019, 19:16 (Ref:3947401)   #5
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Because of possible red flags, it should be a bit longer, 01h30 for qualifying and one hour of hyperpole (with one refuelling only).
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Old 18 Dec 2019, 19:25 (Ref:3947402)   #6
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I'm open minded. I think it will make for an exciting half hour. I do however strongly feel that they should have swapped the schedules of the Thursday practice and hyperpole. Hyperpole should be the last session on the Thursday night.
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Old 18 Dec 2019, 19:26 (Ref:3947403)   #7
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Because of possible red flags, it should be a bit longer, 01h30 for qualifying and one hour of hyperpole (with one refuelling only).
They probably figure that with only 24 cars on track there will be much less chance of a red flag. I get what you're saying though.
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Old 18 Dec 2019, 19:31 (Ref:3947404)   #8
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Not a fan at all. It wasn't broken so there was no need to change it. All for spicing up the show...... Pah.
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Bigger question is, were there complaints about the old system? Did teams find it boring or unnecessary? Did fans not like it?
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I'm open minded. I think it will make for an exciting half hour. I do however strongly feel that they should have swapped the schedules of the Thursday practice and hyperpole. Hyperpole should be the last session on the Thursday night.
Teams usually used the last session of thursday to check or redo the setup for the race. I think this will be the aim of the last free session.
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Not a fan at all. It wasn't broken so there was no need to change it. All for spicing up the show...... Pah.
Exactly, and while were at it, the race is too long, lets make it 90 minutes to spice it up so teams and drivers will really "go for it".

The quotes from Fillon are interesting:

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We already had exciting sesoions for drivers and spectators, and they lasted longer. and "goes on for several days, and not just a weekend" it already did that!!!
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Teams usually used the last session of thursday to check or redo the setup for the race. I think this will be the aim of the last free session.
But isn't that what Saturday morning warmup should be for???
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Not a fan at all. It wasn't broken so there was no need to change it. All for spicing up the show...... Pah.
I know, I know, spectators of endurance don't need circus moments.
My biggest fear would be to see BoP + FCY + systematic hourly lonely safety car. In short, a race Ã* la Ratel, like at Spa. This should sound like a divorce to me.
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But isn't that what Saturday morning warmup should be for???
45 minutes is a bit short to make a whole setup with the three drivers, IMO.
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I am not a fan of that hyperpole. It will be a short but intensive time for sure. But the former formula could keep you much attentive until the end of the session.
And then what about a big crash during the hyperpole with fences to change? Maybe the timetable is proposed considering the crash problems.
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Not a fan at all. It wasn't broken so there was no need to change it. All for spicing up the show...... Pah.
Me neither. There is just no need.
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I am not a fan of that hyperpole. It will be a short but intensive time for sure. But the former formula could keep you much attentive until the end of the session....
Exactly Eric!

The three qualifying practices held our attention throughout, because although we knew the likely periods of those sessions when the teams were most likely go for qualifying times, we could never be sure. 6 hours of our complete 'attention'. With this new format, things will feel a little flat during the free practice sessions, no anticipation or peaks of excitement, because for the spectator, nothing we see will actually seem to matter. Like others, I also feel that final 2 hour free practice session on the Thursday will feel totally insignificant, teams concentrating on race set up and getting those mandatory night laps completed.

I suspect this is part of a 'modernisation' process in preparation for hypercar, Le Mans falling into line with the norm. I also think this is to accommodate the preferences of broadcasters, a focused 45 minutes on Wednesday and 30 minutes on Thursday working much better for them than 6 hours of 'it could happen at any moment'.

Another thing that makes Le Mans unique gone...
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Why do these people think that make things better with this kind of change, Le mans is an institution that works they should stop trying to break it. i have always loved the quali sessions that mean teams can put in a good lap then work on some changes to see if they can improve whilst others hang back until the last moment so as not to give to much away. It means we can enjoy 2 days of watching and waiting to see what the grid will look like.
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I kind of like the Idea. Don't schoot me😉
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When I first saw it I thought "hyperbole".
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The more I think about it the more I'm not sure. They are just ebbing away at the purity of the event bit by bit.

I wonder if they've been a bit short-sighted in the sense that for the last two seasons qualifying was a fairly pointless exercise, certainly in P1. It was which Toyota and by how much. This year's qualy definitely felt like a low point.

I can't help but think this is a bit of a headline grab and an attempt at shiny new PR in a 'down' year for Le Mans. The Fillon quotes back that up. If it's viewed as an experiment then okay. But you'd have to assume it will probably be retained when Hypercar arrives and pole gradually starts to matter again. Albeit the physical lap times themselves will be nothing special.

As for James' point about the suspense throughout the six hours and waiting to see - I took a look at which session pole was set in for the last 10 years. And it was a decent spread. So it's a very valid point.

PQ 1 - 4
PQ 2 - 2
PQ 3 - 4

This new structure just feels a bit messy. You go from qualifying, then back to a free practice mentality. Then you're qualifying again. Then the last session is just an excuse to beat the traffic back to the chateau. I wouldn't even bother televising those race engines being fitted. Also, when was the last time Le Mans evening sessions actually ran to the intended timings?

I hope someone does go quicker in a free practice session just to make a mockery of it. But I will admit that the current format is a sh*t TV product. Not sure how anyone could argue otherwise really. But the current fans and purists love it. It's a bit of a journey just like the race.

Finally, there's something a bit soulless about setting the grid up entirely in classes too. Might spare the blushes of a few teams, but stops others taking scalps.
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