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Old 20 Oct 2021, 21:27 (Ref:4079289)   #31
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Driver grading methods looking like they will be overhauled. Probably overdue.

https://www.autosport.com/wec/news/f...-2022/6688262/
They make some good points, like why do we have gold and platinum leveled drivers with factory drives? If a full pro can be in both, are both needed classes? That seems pretty easy to resolve. It is the other end that gets trickier when you have the young aspiring pro with minimal experience and results getting classified same as a person working a full time job other than racing.

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Old 11 Nov 2021, 15:19 (Ref:4082792)   #32
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2022 driver headings released. Several significant Silver to Gold changes, amongst other changes.

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Old 17 Nov 2021, 13:36 (Ref:4084001)   #33
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Maybe the Petit Le Mans will teach IMSA that if SRO and WEC can do a virtual FCY, then they can too.

The major pile up crash would not have happened in such scenario. Time under green would be greater too. Also the gaps between cars that builds up would be preserved (and that is a GOOD thing).
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Old 17 Nov 2021, 13:47 (Ref:4084005)   #34
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Do you really not understand the reason or are you intentionally obstinate??

Umm and watch more racing, that would have happened under your magical virtual FCY as that's LITERALLY what happened there. One row went and one did not based on a virtual call from 4 corners ahead


Answer to the first condition, IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN IN A US BASED SERIES. NEVER, insurance always wins
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Old 17 Nov 2021, 14:40 (Ref:4084017)   #35
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broadrun96, if you weren't intentionally obstinate just for the sake of being a condescending **** to fellow forum members, you'd consider the possibility of there being safer options, such as not having two rows in virtual FCY restarts or not allowing overtaking before the start-finish line in a safety car restart, either of which could have prevented this from happening.

Or maybe I'm totally wrong and US insurance situation actually requires things to be a bit boogity-boogity by design. But I'm leaning more towards the organisers being hypocrites. They ignore hazardous situations just fine when it suits the show.

Speaking of which, did anyone else notice something what looked a lot like a road car tyre on the grass like 2 metres away from the track (and the racing line) on driver's left? Somewhere around turn 6 area, if I remember correctly. It was there before, during and after the 1st FCY and disappeared likely during the 2nd FCY.
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Old 17 Nov 2021, 20:40 (Ref:4084102)   #36
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Do you really not understand the reason or are you intentionally obstinate??

Umm and watch more racing, that would have happened under your magical virtual FCY as that's LITERALLY what happened there. One row went and one did not based on a virtual call from 4 corners ahead


Answer to the first condition, IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN IN A US BASED SERIES. NEVER, insurance always wins

Creventic has had Code 60 when running in the USA before. I don't "buy" this insurance argument.
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Old 18 Nov 2021, 13:45 (Ref:4084192)   #37
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Creventic has had Code 60 when running in the USA before. I don't "buy" this insurance argument.
They are NOT a US based series. IMSA is wholly based and insured within the US. Sorry, you can not buy it but it's reality and pretending you know better just shows cluelessness on your part

PLEASE LISTEN VERY CLEARLY, NO ONE IS ALLOWED ON A NOT FULL COURSE CAUTIONED TRACK UNDER US SERIES (and insured) SAFETY RULES. I spent almost 2 hours on Thursday of Petit weekend talking with a couple from the Homaltro safety team. they have asked and been told by every series they work with that without a FCY you cannot go on track. This couple did while working a Creventic event and were fired mid-session while waiting for clearance to enter the track. So before you run your yap and pretend somehow me telling you factual information is condescending, it is not you're just thin skinned, maybe try actually talking to track officials and workers. You might learn something

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Old 18 Nov 2021, 15:15 (Ref:4084210)   #38
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You're being disingenuous, again. You can talk to track workers all day long, but they do not make the rules. Why on Earth, based on that, should we believe your story that insurance companies require safety workers operating on track not only with racecars going slowly, but with them going slowly with an extra car carrying sponsorship in front?
Not to mention, that under Code60 type rules all cars are required to slow down immediately, not only the ones that have reached the safety car queue.

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Old 18 Nov 2021, 17:46 (Ref:4084236)   #39
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60 KPH is about 40 miles per hour roughly. We see construction workers on the regular streets every day where cars faster than that pass by them by mere inches all day long. So what if WEC and Creventic are Euro based series, they are still on USA dirt and pavement/concreate running their races.

Code 60 can and should be done in IMSA. Especially for stalled cars and debris. If you want to have safety cars for crashes and bad weather still that is fine I guess. But restart procedures need to be looked at. Track by track. Road Atlanta for instance the back stretch would be a good place to fly the green for the front of the field so that the back of the filed will be starting to accelerate at the beginning of the long straight. Start/Finish line is not always the longest straight away at some of these tracks. V.I.R and Mid Ohio are other examples.
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Old 18 Nov 2021, 19:00 (Ref:4084247)   #40
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The only situation where a Safety Car is needed is a situation that calls for grid to be bunched together in order to allow greater intervals for marshals to not worry about cars passing through. And it's a rather narrow set of parameters that would necessitate that. I'm talking safety-related, not manipulating competition. When the track is so covered in debris that any clean-up work would be unsafe with cars moving through at any speed at all. In that case Code 60 is implemented immediately, then a Safety Car comes out and leads cars single file on the narrow path through the debris, while all of workers step aside and only resume work in the long intervals between the entire field passing though. That is the ONLY safety-related reason to have a safety car. One example would be the aftermath of that restart pile-up before turn 10 at Petit. But one could argue that was really a red flag scenario!
And yes, there is absolutely no reason why those course vehicles cannot go out on track and shield the marshals and medics under Code60 just like they do under SC. None!

In every other situation an SC is
1. just an extra vehicle that may also run over a marshal
2. disruption to race flow/strategies
3. constant cause of mayhem in the pitlane which regularly results in accidents between cars with mechanics narrowly escaping life-altering injuries
4.* a tool to spice up the show through all of the above, and to have an opportunity for broadcasters to mention sponsors, such as: sponsor of the pit-report, fuel provider, tyre manufacturer(s) etc., to insert an infomercial segment, to have an ad break etc.

*the real reason they are still used. Luckily IMSA is only guilty of some of those things, but nowhere near as bad as Indycar, which I find completely unwatchable despite the racing being very good.

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Old 13 Dec 2021, 00:20 (Ref:4089082)   #41
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Will GTD Pro and GTD Am have seperate wave arounds after safety cars? Looks like IMSA is keeping the sporting regs as-is more or less next year. Will have to wait another year to get code 60. But I am not certain about the GTD pro vs am wave around thing though.
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Old 30 Jul 2022, 22:53 (Ref:4121071)   #42
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This is a bit confusing. The new criteria means that young, underfunded, F3-level drivers can be labelled as Gold, and therefore will get little chances of earning rides.
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the "young underfunded" f3 level drivers are the loophole they're trying to close, as you notice. those drivers only get a run for as long as it takes them to lose their silver rating (between one and two seasons usually), then they're back to square one. they're looking more for "true" silvers, rather than gold standard drivers who qualify because they've not had top line single seater drives for whatever reason.

besides, looking forward those low cost/free to the right driver types of seat won't really be sustainable anyway with the introduction of hypercars.
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SRO announces new GTWC Europe Endurance classes based on the new driver classifications. The old sneaky Silvers are now Golds so the Silver Cup becomes the Gold Cup. And the old Gold Cup becomes the new Silver Cup, more or less.
Pro Am becomes the Bronze Cup and Pro is renamed Overall.

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